Featured Is it always God's will to heal?

The Charismatics believe that the godly are those that speak in tongues. Paul maintains that this is the least important of all the gifts and in some cases it was being used in a carnal way. He maintains that five words in his own language which people could understand were better than 10,000 words in tongues where people could not understand. It was carnal. It was not a mark of spirituality.
The mark of a godly Christian was one would suffer for Christ. I dedicated an entire post full of Scripture for just that purpose, linking salvation to suffering.

If tongues is not a mark of spirituality, then why do it? Why is it so important?

 

You want to open up a thread to discuss the benefits of praying in the spirit...fine! This thread is about "Is it always God's will to heal?"

 

I gave you an entire post:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1913838&postcount=56

You just brushed off the Scripture, never gave a good answer at all. Figured that the Israelites had all the OT scriptures memorized, etc. When I give you a post about God's will to heal will you answer it according to Scripture? No. You allegorize it instead.

Paul had a "thorn in the flesh," an idiom meaning an infirmity, which he himself defines as such. He says, "therefore will I glory in my infirmities," referring to his thorn in the flesh after he prays three times for the Lord to take it away. But three times the Lord answers: "My grace is sufficient for thee." Therefore Paul glories in his infirmities. It is an infirmity, a weakness, something wrong in his body, that the Lord did not heal.

You made the ridiculous statement that I pointed out to you, could not possibly true.

Unless it is a "chronic condition" like Paul's eyesight or lameness or blindness, God heals all of our diseases until we die. That is common sense. But he does it in different ways. The normal way of healing is that the body produces antibodies that fight off the sickness and we heal naturally. That is what happens when you get a cold. A cold is not going to kill you. You will eventually get well again. The same goes with the flu, sinus infections, and many other ailments or sicknesses that all of us fight through as we go through life. God made the body to fight off disease naturally. It heals itself.
Luke was a physician. Over time the physicians' knowledge has grown, until we come to today where we have very knowledgeable doctors and are equipped with very hi-tech machinery in helping us. God uses those methods in healing us as well. We don't discount that. God uses mankind.
Then, sometimes, God heals supernaturally. Sometimes--in answer to prayer.
In any event the body is healed until it dies. Is that not true?

 

Show me one!

YOu said... If God heals us through medicine, it is His will for us to be sick until the medicine cures us. I said you can believe that if you want!

 

I still do not know how you actually believe?? Your post are back an forth...and you add to your post something that is not even in the thread.

I explained this over and over..we do not see it the same! Believe as you like! I do not believe Pauls "thorn in the flesh" was an illness and I explained why!

Well, it is no surprise to me! We do not seem to agree on anything!

Really? So some people that are never cured..how do you explain that?

Well, we will agree that God heals in different ways! But not all bodies are healed they die in there disease. My mother was not healed until after her death.

 

Those that voted the it is not God's will to heal...then are you saying the illness is God's fault?
Do you blame God for your illness?
How do you explain to a child that their mother is dying with Cancer that it is God's will that she has cancer?

 

So there are none..

So which is it? Clear up what you believe!
I know you do not believe it is always God's will to heal.
Do you believe that God gives us sickness?
If so is it to punish us?
Is it a curse?

 

Yes you can! God's will is not for us to be sick..it is his will to heal us! How he heals us can be done in many ways...that is not illogical!

Could it be that he choses that way because some reject his healing ministries? He wants good for us not bad!

He was left to die....close enough! The point..which you missed is that he was healed.

Well...I guess I assumed as you did about how and what I study by!
I said if you want to believe...I did not say YOU BELIEVED! That is not dishonest representing!

 

Sometimes it is good to make things personal, Awaken, because it gets people to think.
Think about your own position:

Have you ever been sick?
Do you attribute your sickness to Satan or to God?

Is it not true that nothing can happen to you without the permission of God?
Therefore it is God that allows sickness in your life, right?
Ultimately then, sickness must come from God.
God allows sickness, suffering, tribulations of all sorts that we may be conformed to his image.

"For when I am weak, then I am strong."

 

Yes
I do not attribute my sickness to God. I do not believe that my father would put sickness on me anymore than I would my children. That sounds more like child abuse!
God reproves, corrects and instructs us through His Word. The Lord's system of correction is not sickness, disease, and tragedy. God disciplines and trains us through His Word.( 2 Tim 3:16, 17).
God put sickness on people in the OT, but it was never a blessing (Deut. 28).

God can work anything that happens to us together for good, but not everything that happens to us comes from God.

 

David's infant died. Before the infant died, David fasted, mourned, wept and prayed to God that the infant would not die, but that his life would be preserved. The baby died anyway. The servants feared, now that the baby was died, what David would do?! What his emotional state would be?
But astonishingly, David arose, washed himself, changed his clothe, and had his servants bring food. When asked about the change of his demeanor, David answered and said:

While the child was alive there was chance that God would save the life of the child. So David prayed and pleaded for the life of the child. But God did not save the life of the child. He remained sick, and died, according to the will of God.

When David saw that the will of God was done, there was nothing else for him to do. He said: "The child will not come to me; I shall go to him," the confidence that David would see his child in heaven.

Put God gave the sickness to the baby. And God caused the death of the baby. God took the baby home out of David's hand.

 

I have stated several times why sickness comes in the NT...sin/direct attack from satan/ natural things.
Sickness in the OT is never a blessing...it is a curse. David sinned..vs. 9 says he did evil in God's sight!
Now show me out of the New Covenant where God brings a curse or punishment on someone...or has he redeemed us from the curse?
If we sin we will be forgiven but we will reap what we sow!

 

I also lost my mother to cancer! Yes, we do live in a fallen world..sickness and death being a part of that. But that does not prove that God does not want to heal...because as you said our parents were relieved of their corrupt bodies..but one day they will receive a body that will not be corrupt from this world...praise God!

My mother did not believe that healing was for today..She never went to the elders either!

Also why was it that Jesus said he came to heal if it was not his will to heal?

God's will is for all to be saved too! But are all saved?