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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by rstrats, Oct 23, 2012.

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  1. vooks

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    Thank you. These are called FOUR DAYS by Cornelius. It means a 'partial' day is regarded as a day

    Acts 10:30-31 (ESV)
    30 And Cornelius said, “Four days ago, about this hour, I was praying in my house at the ninth hour, and behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing 31 and said, ‘Cornelius, your prayer has been heard and your alms have been remembered before God


    Cornelius talked of FOUR days. Can we please take God at His Word? Or do you believe Cornelius was WRONG in saying 'FOUR days ago'?

    Acts 10:30-31 (ESV)
    30 And Cornelius said, “Four days ago, about this hour, I was praying in my house at the ninth hour, and behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing 31 and said, ‘Cornelius, your prayer has been heard and your alms have been remembered before God


    Note what he was doing four days ago....having a vision. So we have VISION<~~~~four days~~~~>ARRIVAL AT CAESAREA


    It is self-evident we have to chose between Cornelius FOUR days and your THREE days. Who is lying?



    Cornelius talked of 'FOUR days ago' and we agree the same day he was speaking was the FOURTH day. So would you agree with me that in scriptural reckoning of days FOUR days and the FOURTH day refer to the same day from a specific event?



    You are funny. It would have been Thursday. Look at Acts 10.
    MONDAY- Verse 3 the day he had a vision and he dispatched his servants
    TUESDAY- verse 9 the NEXT day when his servants arrived at Joppa
    WEDNESDAY- verse 23, the following day when they left for Caesarea
    THURSDAY- verse 24, they next day when they arrived and Cornelius uttered these words

    Friday would have been the FIFTH day. Do you agree with this assessment?

    Excellent!

    Thank you. So we find the THIRD day being the day AFTER tomorrow right?
    Working backwards, if on Wednesday I told you 'this is the THIRD day since God spoke', which day would you conclude that God spoke?
    A. Sunday
    B.Monday
    C. I don't know
     
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    You cannot count; you don't know what common sense is, or logic, or numerical sequence, plainly.

    Here you illustrate and prove your inabilities or disabilities rather, yourself:

    <<<Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up[/b]
    'Three' and 'third' are obviously from his death not from the day after his death. We know very well that on Sunday, it was the THIRD day since he died which would place his death on Friday.
    >>>

    And again, here:

    <<<The FIRST day of Jesus death was the very day they killed him, the SECOND day was the day after and the THIRD day was the following day. So if we can positively identify the third day as Sunday, we can easily place his death on Friday. >>>

    There must be a blind spot or two on your cerebrum.

    Take this, for example:

    <<<Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up[/b]
    'Three' and 'third' are obviously from his death not from the day after his death. We know very well that on Sunday, it was the THIRD day since he died which would place his death on Friday.
    >>>

    In John 2:19 <<<'Three' and 'third' are obviously from his death not from the day after his death.>>>

    But on <<<Sunday>>> IT WAS NOT <<<the THIRD day>>>;

    …because it was “the third day SINCE” : He died, which would place his death on Thursday; NOT, <<<on Friday.>>>
     
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    When I need hallucinations I will consult you, for now, scriptures, common sense and basic literacy will do
    Luke 24:1 (ESV)
    1 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they went to the tomb, taking the spices they had prepared.

    Luke 24:13 (ESV)
    13 That very day two of them were going to a village named Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem

    Luke 24:21 (ESV)
    21 But we had hoped that he was the one to redeem Israel. Yes, and besides all this, it is now the third day since these things happened.


    1. The first day of the week= Sunday
    2. That same day = Sunday
    3. It is NOW = Sunday

    Don't waste your time with your infantile theories of sunset/dawn reckoning. It is very clear to all but the hopelessly brainwashed what THAT SAME DAY means
     
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    Beautiful, man!!

    William Cowper, "Knowledge is proud he has learned so much; Wisdom is humble that he knows no more."

    Knowledge is proud he has learned to count <backwards> to the second "day, SINCE".

    Mooi man, mooi!!

    There is hope for you one day to be able to read the word "SINCE".

     
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    There can't be THIRD day on anything other than SINCE a specific event.
    It does not take inspiration to comprehend these simple facts, just simple application of your brains..please do it for once

    Repet after me; THIRD day is the DAY after tomorrow, FIRST day is the day before yesterday

    The moment you internalize that you will discard all your forty years of meandering in the wilderness of illogic
     
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    I shall repeat after Luke 24:21; not after Knowledge; but after Truth. Not after Acts somewhere; but after the words written in Luke 24.

    Who, do you think you are? I am not your parrot, Mr Wiseguy!.


     
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    Luke 24:21 (KJV)
    But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done


    What things? Your birthday of crucifixion?
     
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    Don't you have other things to do that you must do what you are worst at all day?
     
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    You are spamming this thread
     
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    vooks,
    re: "Thank you. These are called FOUR DAYS by Cornelius. It means a 'partial' day is regarded as a day"

    Agreed. And the day that Cornelius made the statement would have been the 5th calendar day.



    re: "...do you believe Cornelius was WRONG in saying 'FOUR days ago'?"

    Verses 1-24 indicate that 4 calendar days were involved. So, yes, unless an additional day was involved and not mentioned in verses 1-24, he was wrong in saying "four days ago" as the KJV as well as many other versions/translations have it. However, there are several that have him saying "three days ago" which would be consistent with verses 1-24.
     


    re: "It is self-evident we have to chose between Cornelius FOUR days and your THREE days. Who is lying?"

    I don't know about Cornelius, but I know that I'm not. Based on "four days ago", there would be three full days between Cornelius' vision and Peter's arrival.

     
     

    re: "Cornelius talked of 'FOUR days ago' and we agree the same day he was speaking was the FOURTH day."

    No we do not agree. If "four days ago" was correct, then the day he was speaking had to be the 5th day.
     



    re: "You are funny. It would have been Thursday."

    Not if "four days ago" was correct. However, if it was correct, then there would have to have been an extra day involved that for some reason was not included in the narrative.
     



    re: "So we find the THIRD day being the day AFTER tomorrow right?"

    If today is the first day, then yes, the third day would be the day after tomorrow.
     


    re: "Working backwards, if on Wednesday I told you 'this is the THIRD day since God spoke', which day would you conclude that God spoke?"

    Your addition of the word "since" would make it Sunday.
     
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    But my brother, why would it be the fifth day?
    We reconstructed Acts 10. Let's do it again
    1. Monday(v3)- Cornelius has a vision ands send his messengers to Peter
    2. Tuesday(v9)- the messengers arrive at Peter's in Joppa
    3. Wednesday(v23)- the messengers with Peter leave Joppa for Caesarea
    4. Thursday( v24,30)- the messenger arrive in Caesarea and Cornelius talks of FOUR days ago

    Acts 10:29-30 (KJV)
    Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me? 30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing


    So Cornelius spoke these words on 'Thursday' the same day Peter arrived, in fact he spoke them as soon as Peter was done with the introductions. Where is the FIFTH day as you claim?


    Could you please share the 'several'versions and/translations that have him saying "three days ago"?

    Thank you
     
    I don't know about you, but I know the INSPIRED scriptures have FOUR days. I go with the scriptures

    How can the FOUR days ago recorded by the scriptures be wrong?
    Please note he spoke these words the VERY day Peter arrived. From above, if he had the vision on Monday, Peter arrived on Thursday. There is no break between v24-29 when Peter arrived and v30 when He spoke those words
     
    My brother, even if we never had Cornelius speaking of "four days ago", assuming he had a vision on Monday afternoon, Peter would have arrived on Thursday. See above. So Thursday is not concluded from the "four days ago" statement but from the recorded LOGICAL sequence of Acts 10.

    The logical sequence is as follows;
    Day 1 Cornelius has a vision and dispatches his messengers
    Day 2 Cornelius messengers arrive at Joppa
    Day 3 Peter and Cornelius messengers leave Joppa for Caesarea
    Day 4 Peter and Cornelius messengers arrive in Caesarea and Cornelius utters these words

    Are you implying there is a day omitted in the narration inside these?
    If you reject this, you may as well reject scriptural inspiration which is supposed to be our common ground. Either that or you are a dishonest man not interested in the truth
     
    There is no reason for your CONDITIONAL. Today is ALWAYS the FIRST day sir as those examples I have shared clearly demonstrate. If you can think of any biblical examples where TODAY is any day other than FIRST day, kindly share with me


    My brother,
    first,second,third....are adjectives ALWAYS used with respect to events. So am not adding 'since', the very usage of THIRD implies THIRD since something, since an event.

    But could you be kind enough to show me where THIRD or other similar adjective and there is no regard to a specific event?
     
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    vooks,
    re: "...why would it be the fifth day?"

    If Thursday was the day when Cornelius said "four days ago", then Wednesday would be one day ago, Tuesday would be two days ago, Monday would be three days ago, and Sunday would be four days ago. Wednesday,Tuesday,Monday and Sunday make 4 days and Thursday makes it 5 days.



    re: "Could you please share the 'several' versions and/translations that have him saying 'three days ago'?

    The NIV, the Weymouth New Testament, the Complete Jewish Bible, the Good News Translation, and the J.B. Phillips New Testament.




    re: "Are you implying there is a day omitted in the narration inside these.?"

    I'm not implying it, I'm flat out stating it. If the "four days ago" stated in verse 30 is correct, then there has to be a day that isn't mentioned.



     
    re: "If you reject this, you may as well reject scriptural inspiration..."

    The trick of course is knowing for sure what is and what isn't authentic scriptural inspiration. In the case of Acts 10:30 there seems to be some difference of opinion.
     



    re: "But could you be kind enough to show me where THIRD or other similar adjective and there is no regard to a specific event?"

    How about "third cousin"? This of course is contingent on "cousin" not being an event.
     



    re: "first,second,third....are adjectives ALWAYS used with respect to events. So am not adding 'since', the very usage of THIRD implies THIRD since something, since an event. But could you be kind enough to show me where THIRD or other similar adjective and there is no regard to a specific event?"

    How about "third cousin"? This of course is contingent on "cousin" not being an event.




    re: "..the very usage of THIRD implies THIRD since something, since an event."

    Today is Wednesday. If I say that today is the first day since I got a haircut, to what day of the week would you think I was referring?
     
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    Hold that thought

    This is interesting


    Please make up your mind BEFORE we proceed.

    1. Is there a day omitted in the narration and
    2. should the text read 'three days ago' instead of 'four days ago'?


    Please answer the above question and between the three days and four days versions we will know which are inspired and which are not
     
    THIRD when used with cousin is not an ADJECTIVE but a NOUN :smilewinkgrin:
    please try again. in fact,try and construct a sentence with the adjectives in conjunction with 'days' without respect to particular event
     
    Today of course.
     
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    Acts 10 is not Luke 24.

    horrific exegesis!!!
     
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    Who doesn't know Acts is not Luke?
    Acts 10 shows how time was reckoned in the first century. Take it as a word study.
     
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    When I <changed my view on this>, it has never changed again; it has only been deepened and strengthened <over the years>.

    What I now believe is this—the same as 45 years ago:

    THE SCRIPTURES :- the SAME Scriptures ... only one added, John 19:39 :-


    Last Week / ‘Holy Week’

    Sabbath
    "Six days before passover Feast Days" John 12:1 (… begin on Friday)

    (Palm Sunday)
    Five days before "Feast Days" John 12:12 (… begin on Friday)

    (Monday)
    Four days before "Feast Days" (… begin on Friday)
    Mark 11:12 Matthew 21:18 Mark 11:15 Luke 19:45-48 Mark 11:19

    (Tuesday)
    THREE days before "Feast Days" (… begin on Friday)
    Mark 11:20,21,27 Matthew 22:23 Luke 20:1-8 Mark 13:1,3
    = Matthew 26:2 "after TWO days (Wednesday Thursday) is Passover
    = “Son of Man CRUCIFIED" (… on Thursday)

    (Wednesday)
    TWO days before "Feast Days" (… begin on Friday)
    Luke 21:38 Matthew 26:3
    = Mark 14:1-3 "after TWO days (Thursday Friday) is Feast
    = “Days of UNLEAVENED Bread" (… begin on Friday)

    (Thursday—Wednesday night and Thursday day, the Fifth Day)
    One day before "Feast Days" (… begin on Friday)
    = “BEFORE the Feast” John 13:1
    = “PREPARATION of the Passover” John 19:14
    = “NOT ON, the Feast” Mark 14:2
    = “WHEN they KILLED the passover…
    = “WHEN they REMOVED leaven”
    = Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:17 Luke 22:7 Exodus 12:15a
    = Abib 14 (Thursday Abib 14)

    (Friday)
    “The Feast of Unleavened Bread” Exodus 12:15b (… began on Friday)
    = “The Preparation …
    = “… which is the Foresabbath …
    = “… for THAT DAY WAS great day sabbath” of passover.



    1A) HERE BEGINS the NIGHT and the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
    wherein Jesus ENTERED IN in “the Kingdom of my Father” (Jesus’ Jonah’s descent to hell) :–
    Mk14:12/17; Mt26:17/20; Lk22:7/14; Jn13:1.

    1B) HERE BEGINS the MORNING of the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
    in which Jesus was delivered and crucified :–
    Mk15:1/Mt27:1/Lk23:1/Jn19:14

    1C) HERE is the LATE NOON AND MID–AFTERNOON of the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
    when Jesus DIED and was deserted by all :–
    Mk15:37–41; Mk27:50–56; Lk23:44–49; Jn19:28–30


    2A) HERE BEGINS the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
    the day whereon Joseph WOULD BURY the body of Jesus :–
    Mk15:42/Mt27:57, Lk23:50–51, Jn19:31/38.
    “The Feast of Unleavened Bread” Exodus 12:15b
    = “The Preparation …
    = “… which is the Fore-Sabbath …
    = “… for THAT DAY WAS great day sabbath” of passover.
    = FRIDAY!
    = Abib 15, Thursday night and Friday day = Sixth Day ....


    2B) HERE is the NIGHT of the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
    wherein Joseph begged the body, and according to the law of the Jews – the passover’s law – undertook and prepared to bury Jesus:–
    “the first night” unleavened bread was eaten John 19:39
    Mk15:43–46a; Mt27:58–59; Lk23:52–53a; Jn19:31b–40

    2C) HERE is the LATE NOON AND MID–AFTERNOON of the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
    when Joseph and Nicodemus had laid the body and had closed the tomb; and men and women left for home :–
    Mk15:46b–47; Mk27:60–61; Lk23:53b–56a; JN19:41–42


    3A) HERE BEGINS the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
    THAT JESUS WOULD RISE FROM THE DEAD ON :–
    Lk23:56b
    “The day after the sabbath” OF THE PASSOVER Leviticus 23:11,15
    = Abib 16, Friday night and Saturday day = Seventh Day Sabbath....

    3B) HERE is the MORNING of the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
    Pilate ordered a guard “for the third day” :–
    Mt27:62–66

    3C) HERE is “IN the Sabbath’s Fullness MID–AFTERNOON” of the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
    First Sheaf Wave Offering Before the LORD :–
    Mt28:1–4.
    __________________________________________________ ___

    Abib 17, Saturday night and Sunday day = First Day ....

    4A) HERE begins the day AFTER the “three days” (fourth day of the passover season) :–
    that Jesus WOULD APPEAR on :–
    Mk16:1, “When the Sabbath was past ..... they BOUGHT ....”

    4B) HERE is the EVENING of this day,
    Jn20:1–10 Mary sees the DOOR STONE was away from the tomb (discovers tomb has been OPENED);

    4C) HERE is the NIGHT of this day,
    Lk24:1–10 “DEEP(EST) DARKNESS” ––– “women with their spices” and ointments go to salve the body; “they found Him NOT” (discover tomb is EMPTY);
    Mk16:2–8 “very early (before) SUN’S RISING” ––– women’s return–visit to ascertain; “they fled terrified and told NO ONE”.

    4D) Here is sunrise (‘Sunday’ morning),
    Jn20:11f, Mk16:9 “Mary had had stood behind” .... saw the gardener (sunrise); “Risen, early (sunrise) on the First Day, Jesus first APPEARED to Mary ....”
    Mt28:5–10 “The angel explained to the (other) women (Mt28:1–4) .... As they went to tell .... Jesus met them” (after sunrise).
    Mt28:11–15 Guard to high priests.
     
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    I expected you would not.
     
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    Very clever, Rstrats, Friday was the first day since they killed Him!

    You just won't say it openly!

    Why not, Rstrats?!
     
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    Rubbish! No wonder you are so afraid to come into the open with your fraud!
     
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