Three days and three nights

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

there is Luke 24:21 which says that the first of the week was the third day since these things happened, so assuming the last thing was the crucifixion, 4 calendar days would have to have been involved; and then there is Matthew 27:63 and Mark 8:31 which say after 3 days. So it must be implied that the phrase "the third day" is referring to the third day after the crucifixion.

Subtle fraud! It is not at all <<<implied that the phrase "the third day" is referring to the third day after the crucifixion.>>> There is no such phrase as <<the third day>> in Luke 24:21! It is the clause "today ... on the First day of the week ... is the third day SINCE" = <<<AFTER the crucifixion>>>.

Fraud Fraud Fraud!!!

Fraud supported by your FALSE assumption of <<<4 calendar days>>>.

All your years long secret obsessiveness with your austere phrasings of your framed <question> has come to light exactly as any person in his right mind could have foretold and I in fact have foretold.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You are a FAKE, Rstrats! Nothing than a very incompetent FAKE!

 

[rstrats]

Gerhard Ebersoehn,
re: "...Friday was the first day since they killed Him!"

If by Friday you mean the 6th day of the week, then that would only be true if the crucifixion took place on the 5th day of the week. However, there are a number of folks who think that it took place on the 4th day of the week.



re: "You just won't say it openly! Why not, Rstrats [sic] ?!"


If you're asking why I haven't said here that the crucifixion took place on the 5th day of the week it's because I'm not convinced of that.​

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Gerhard Ebersoehn,
re: "...Friday was the first day since they killed Him!"

If by Friday you mean the 6th day of the week, then that would only be true if the crucifixion took place on the 5th day of the week. However, there are a number of folks who think that it took place on the 4th day of the week.



re: "You just won't say it openly! Why not, Rstrats [sic] ?!"


If you're asking why I haven't said here that the crucifixion took place on the 5th day of the week it's because I'm not convinced of that.​

Try your grandiloquence on someone else, Samie. I have never been impressed by your pretending.

 

[rstrats]

Gerhard Ebersoehn,
re: "Try your grandiloquence on someone else, Samie."

Who is Samie?


re: " I have never been impressed by your pretending."

What am I pretending?

 

[rstrats]

Gerhard Ebersoehn,


You have a couple of questions directed to you in post #225.

 

[rstrats]

Since it's been awhile, perhaps someone new looking in will know of some writing.

 

[TCassidy]

Year: 31 A.D. Preparation day, Lamb slain, Wed. Nisan 14.

Christ was crucified on Wednesday 14 Nisan, 31 AD.

He was in the tomb from Sundown Wednesday, through Sundown Saturday and arose before sunup Sunday 18 Nisan, in the tomb three days and three nights.

He was taken down from the cross because the high holy day (first day of Passover, a special Sabbath) was approaching at sundown.

The ladies could do no work on the first day of Passover, a special, high, holy Sabbath. (sundown Wednesday to sundown Thursday).

On Friday (sundown Thursday to sundown Friday) they went shopping for the spices and other burial items.

They could not prepare the body on Saturday (sundown Friday to sundown Saturday) because it was the regular weekly Sabbath.

They arrived at the tomb just before sunup Sunday and found He was gone, resurrected.

QED

 

[rstrats]

TCassidy,

Since you're not a 6th day of the week crucifixion advocate you probably won't know of any writing.

 

[HankD]

I came right to the end of this Donnybrook.

So I'm sorry if its already been mentioned.

This is from messianic Judaism:

Friday sundown to Saturday sundown (Saturday) counted as TWO days.

Saturday was BOTH the Sabbath and the Passover (TWO days in one) in the year Christ was crucified.

Each day had its own set of requirements in the existing Talmud and when the Jews reckoned their duties and a holy day fell on a Sabbath that day was religiously counted as TWO days in one as it required two separate days of religious obligations.

So Jesus being in the grave three days and three nights is correct to a religious Jew.

Rising on the third day is correct to a gentile.

Incoming?

HankD

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I came right to the end of this Donnybrook.


So I'm sorry if its already been mentioned.


This is from messianic Judaism:


Friday sundown to Saturday sundown (Saturday) counted as TWO days.


Saturday was BOTH the Sabbath and the Passover (TWO days in one) in the year Christ was crucified.


Each dayhad its own set of requirements in the existing Talmud and when the Jews reckoned their duties and a holy day fell on a Sabbath that day was religiously counted as TWO days in one as it required two separate days of religious obligations.


So Jesus being in the grave three days and three nights is correct to a religious Jew.


Rising on the third day is correct to a gentile.


Incoming?


HankD

...for whatever anything above may mean for me it's incomprehensible and irrelevant and consequently, meaningless. For me that is, and I don't care about what it might mean to anyone else. Because for me what matters is SCRIPTURE.


And the Scriptures, both New and Old Testament are crystal clear and leave no doubts or questions.


The "BONE" of the "MATTER" or "SUBSTANCE" of the "three days" is that they were "three days thick darkness" INDISTINGUISHABLY "THE PLAGUE" that "was upon HIM" :


A) "on the head first day ye shall REMOVE LEAVEN" of life, "CUT / REAP NAZARETH"--"Sacred Corner of your Harvest", and "LIFT up First Sheaf" and "BRING First Sheaf to the Priest", viz., "KILL the Passover on the FOURTEENTH day of the First Month";


B) "And the Priest shall wave First Sheaf" of NAZARETH after THE SABBATH" OF THE PASSOVER during which First Sheaf rested over in death "on the FIFTEENTH day of the First Month ye shall EAT (and BURY) the FLESH" and "THAT WHICH REMAINED ye shall BURN with fire" as were it interred, dust returned to dust.


C) “And on the SIXTEENTH day of the First Month they CLEANSED the Sanctuary”--of First Sheaf’s Repose in death—to “ENTER IN INTO HIS OWN REST AS GOD IN HIS OWN … the day The Seventh Day GOD THUS CONCERNING SPAKE … in times past through the prophets … IN THESE LAST DAYS BY THE SON.”


Because what MATTERED was the God-given and therefore imperative eschatological whole and wholeness and “SUBSTANCE AND BONE” of the “three days and three nights” of the “three days”, “ON THE THIRD DAY” of which “CHRIST ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES ROSE FROM THE DEAD.”


EACH of the “three days” SUBSTANTIALLY IN CORE AND BONE were FULL days of night and day each SEEN, retrospectively IN THE LIFE AND SUFFERING AND DEATH AND BURIAL AND RESURRECTION of Christ “Our Passover”, “Lamb of God.”

 

[HankD]

...for whatever anything above may mean for me it's incomprehensible and irrelevant and consequently, meaningless. For me that is, and I don't care about what it might mean to anyone else. Because for me what matters is SCRIPTURE.

I quoted scripture depending upon Christ or Paul's audience (Hebrew or Gentile).

Passover is a movable feast and sometimes falls upon a Sabbath.

It has always been that way. In the URL below a rabbi explains it from the Hebrew words of scripture.

http://www.bethshirshalom.org/sites/default/files/files/What to Do When Passover is Also Shabbat.pdf

HankD

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I quoted scripture depending upon Christ or Paul's audience (Hebrew or Gentile).


Passover is a movable feast and sometimes falls upon a Sabbath.


It has always been that way. In the URL below a rabbi explains it from the Hebrew words of scripture.


http://www.bethshirshalom.org/sites/default/files/files/What to Do When Passover is Also Shabbat.pdf


HankD

Dear Hank, You opened your previous post, saying, <~This is from messianic Judaism:

Friday sundown to Saturday sundown (Saturday) counted as TWO days.

Saturday was BOTH the Sabbath and the Passover (TWO days in one) in the year Christ was crucified.~>

Now you say, <~I quoted scripture depending upon Christ or Paul's audience (Hebrew or Gentile).~>


<~Messianic Judaism~> is not Scripture.


In fact <~messianic Judaism~> is contrary Scripture because it is contrary Jesus Christ.

Scripture ‘depends’ on neither of <~Paul's audience (Hebrew or Gentile)~>.


And <~Friday sundown to Saturday sundown (Saturday)~> has never been <~the Sabbath~> or any ‘sabbath’ for that matter. ‘Saturday’ is the Roman and modern day of the idolisation of mirth and debauchery.


According to the Scriptures both Old and New Testaments <~the Passover in the year Christ was crucified~> comprised 8 days from and including “the fourteenth day of the First Month … kill the passover”, until and including “seven days ye shall eat unleavened bread” from and including “the fifteenth day of the First Month…”, “until the twenty and first day of the First Month”.


May I point to the fact even Judaism has always maintained the same … irrespective and regardless what ‘modern’ <~messianic Judaism~> might think or teach to the contrary.


Now according to the Gospels of the New Testament the passover’s ‘sabbath’ (“on the fifteenth day of the First Month”) fell on precisely the same “selfsame Whole-Day-BONE-Day” of the First Month for the children of Israel on which it fell AT THE EXODUS—which was on the Sixth Day of the week, “since The Preparation had begun … on the sabbath for THAT DAY (“Selfsame-Whole-Day-BONE-Day”) of sabbath was great day sabbath of” …THE PASSOVER. John 19:31.


Which fact Mark confirms “since the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath (and Sixth Day of the week) had begun it THE EVENING ALREADY having been / having begun”.


So the Sixth Day “the Preparation was … great day sabbath of” the passover after the ending of which according to Luke 23:54-56 and John 19:42, “they began to rest the Sabbath according to the (Fourth) Commandment”.

 

[HankD]

Dear Hank, You opened your previous post, saying, <~This is from messianic Judaism:

Friday sundown to Saturday sundown (Saturday) counted as TWO days.

Saturday was BOTH the Sabbath and the Passover (TWO days in one) in the year Christ was crucified.~>

Now you say, <~I quoted scripture depending upon Christ or Paul's audience (Hebrew or Gentile).~>


<~Messianic Judaism~> is not Scripture.

OK Gerhard I respect your view. Messianic Judaism is (for the most part) Jews who believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God, God come in the flesh.
They believe in both the Old and New Testaments.
True, sometimes they go overboard (IMO).

It is also true that a small minority don't believe in Christ as God come in the flesh.

They keep the Hebrew feasts and other Hebrew traditions (all found in the OT).
Lately there has been an insurgence (some call it a phenomenon) of Gentiles joining their ranks.

HankD

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Thou shalt call His Name Jesus : for He shall save his People from their sins. … His Name shall be called Emmanuel, God with us. … That it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet(s).

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The other day I began to 'correlate' the SDAs' '27 (or however many there are) 'fundamentals' with the Christian Confessions. The only one I could say I 'agreed' with sort of fully, was their confession of The Father. I think I must have understood them wrong, because to my mind it is impossible to have only one of the most cardinal aspects of the Christian Faith correct while I find everything else with which that aspect is interrelated, wrong.

But I could find absolutely no single or collective point of agreement in what the WCs hold for Gospel. Especially not their most basic doctrine which is their doctrine of God which in no respect differs from the Islam conception of God. That might be the reason why, as you say <~there lately has been an insurgence of Gentiles joining their ranks.~> They could stay the same ~Gentiles~ they were before.

 

[rstrats]

With the new year upon us maybe there will be someone new looking in who knows of examples as requested in the OP and clarified in further posts. And again, remember that the purpose of this topic is not to discuss how long the Messiah was in the heart of the earth. As stated, there are other topics that do that. However, there are those who say that Matthew 12:40 is using common Jewish idiomatic language. But in order to say that it was common, one would have to know of other instances where the same pattern had to have been used. I am simply looking for some of those instances, scriptural or otherwise. So far no one has come forth with any.

 

[vooks]

With the new year upon us maybe there will be someone new looking in who knows of examples as requested in the OP and clarified in further posts. And again, remember that the purpose of this topic is not to discuss how long the Messiah was in the heart of the earth. As stated, there are other topics that do that. However, there are those who say that Matthew 12:40 is using common Jewish idiomatic language. But in order to say that it was common, one would have to know of other instances where the same pattern had to have been used. I am simply looking for some of those instances, scriptural or otherwise. So far no one has come forth with any.

It has been evidently demonstrated from Acts 10 that a 72hr period is called FOUR DAYS. Your obtuseness has no cure

 

[vooks]

...for whatever anything above may mean for me it's incomprehensible and irrelevant and consequently, meaningless. For me that is, and I don't care about what it might mean to anyone else. Because for me what matters is SCRIPTURE.


And the Scriptures, both New and Old Testament are crystal clear and leave no doubts or questions.


The "BONE" of the "MATTER" or "SUBSTANCE" of the "three days" is that they were "three days thick darkness" INDISTINGUISHABLY "THE PLAGUE" that "was upon HIM" :


A) "on the head first day ye shall REMOVE LEAVEN" of life, "CUT / REAP NAZARETH"--"Sacred Corner of your Harvest", and "LIFT up First Sheaf" and "BRING First Sheaf to the Priest", viz., "KILL the Passover on the FOURTEENTH day of the First Month";


B) "And the Priest shall wave First Sheaf" of NAZARETH after THE SABBATH" OF THE PASSOVER during which First Sheaf rested over in death "on the FIFTEENTH day of the First Month ye shall EAT (and BURY) the FLESH" and "THAT WHICH REMAINED ye shall BURN with fire" as were it interred, dust returned to dust.


C) “And on the SIXTEENTH day of the First Month they CLEANSED the Sanctuary”--of First Sheaf’s Repose in death—to “ENTER IN INTO HIS OWN REST AS GOD IN HIS OWN … the day The Seventh Day GOD THUS CONCERNING SPAKE … in times past through the prophets … IN THESE LAST DAYS BY THE SON.”


Because what MATTERED was the God-given and therefore imperative eschatological whole and wholeness and “SUBSTANCE AND BONE” of the “three days and three nights” of the “three days”, “ON THE THIRD DAY” of which “CHRIST ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES ROSE FROM THE DEAD.”


EACH of the “three days” SUBSTANTIALLY IN CORE AND BONE were FULL days of night and day each SEEN, retrospectively IN THE LIFE AND SUFFERING AND DEATH AND BURIAL AND RESURRECTION of Christ “Our Passover”, “Lamb of God.”

Jesus was crucified on Friday evening and He resurrected on Sunday morning

 

[rstrats]

vooks,

re: "It has been evidently demonstrated from Acts 10 that a 72hr period is called FOUR DAYS."

I don't see where Acts 10 shows that a daytime and/or a night time was forecast to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime and/or no part of the night time could have occurred. What do you have in mind?

re: "Jesus was crucified on Friday evening..."

Mark 15:25 says that "it was the third hour, and they crucified Him." That would have been in the morning and not the evening.