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You constantly take my posts and claim I said what I didn't say. That's why I said I don't know if you're being dishonest or your comprehension is lacking. It must be one or the other. What other explanation is there?

It has been proven on the mission filed that Pentecostal tongues are not real languages. And I'll bet your tongues-talk is not, either. Regardless, what good has it done you? You are just like most other charismatics: You want to disparage 1900 years of church history and faithful Christians. You claim those who don't believe like you or have what you have are deficient, are not following the scriptures, do not have or follow the "full gospel".

I don't see anything that you've been peddling that I want. I was baptized by the Holy Spirit when I believed.

 

You either had the Holy Spirit or you didn't. He does not come piece-meal. If you did not have all of him, you did not have any of him. Perhaps you were not saved.

 

Here is what the Scriptures say about the apostles.
There were the 12 Apostles. Each of those were an office, one of which had to replaced. In addition to that group was the Apostle Paul, who also was included in that group, an Apostle to the Gentiles. These were an elite group.

There were other "apostles" mentioned in the NT (lower case "s").
Study carefully. These are referred to as the apostles of the churches, specifically the first century churches.

The Bible does not teach apostolic succession. No apostle from either group was ever replaced. There is absolutely no evidence of that. Don't say that God "could." God could come zooming into your house riding on a smart bomb, but he's not going to do it. God "could." He "could" do a lot of things, but that doesn't mean he will. There is no apostolic succession. The apostles were not replaced.
The only ones who believe in apostolic succession are cults like Mormons, and other cult like religions.

Prophets were given for as long as the canon was incomplete. They supplied the revelation that we have now in the written word. Both apostles and prophets ceased at the end of the first century when both the canon of Scripture was complete and the apostles died out.

(KJV) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Look at the CEV

(CEV) Christ chose some of us to be apostles, prophets, missionaries, pastors, and teachers,
--The word for evangelist is comparable to our modern day missionary--one who carries the gospel to other nations or even the ends of the world. That is what the apostle Paul did. He went on three missionary journeys. His foremost duty was to preach the gospel, as an evangelist.

Today it is the pastors and teachers that build up and edify the local churches, as Ephesus was.

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

1. that the saints would become mature. It comes through the teaching of the Word.
2. For the work of the ministry. Every Christian in the church should be prepared to take part in the ministry of the local church in some way.
3. for the edifying of the body of Christ. Every Christian needs to be edifying each other Christian, especially as they grow in Christ.
4. Till we all come in unity of faith. As we are taught we come into the unity of faith. We need to be united in doctrine. This ought to come very quickly under the auspices of the local church.
5. Till we come to the knowledge of the Son of God. This is not speaking of salvation, but of sanctification. It is speaking of our walk with God as we increase in the knowledge of our Savior day by day through our study of His Word.
6. unto a mature man--This comes with spiritual growth: time in the Word; time being discipled; time being taught; time being drawn close to the Lord.
7. to the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ--that is, in time as we draw near to Christ we are transformed more and more into his image, even while on this earth. That is his will for us.

Be not conformed to this world.
Be conformed to the image of Christ.
Let this mind be in you which also is in Christ Jesus.

These are goals that we strive for on this earth that are made possible for us through our teachers and pastors in our local churches. It is worthwhile to note that many scholars, noting the definite article before "pastor" but not before "teacher" translate it as one office: the "pastor-teacher." Every pastor ought to be a teacher.

 

can you prove/support ther are 2 stages of the HS for us today, based upon the Epistles? As those were the letters that God grounded His theology proper in, as Acts was a hstorical book of transistion, NOT the textbook for how the HS operates among us today!

 

When you were saved: Did he give you the Spirit or did he not?

 

Look! I just went through the passage verse by verse, clause by clause, and in some cases word by word.
Your answer--"No way around it."
Complete denial. You have no rebuttal. You cannot answer my post. You don't even try. Why should I even listen to you when you simply assert "I am right and you are wrong." That is not debate. It is arrogance.

 

I agree with the part I bolded. As I said, despite her assertions to the contrary, she is not looking for truth but for some way to support her unbiblical doctrines, and she ignores or denies any evidence that punches holes in them. She posts the same scriptures over and over that she claims are evidence of her beliefs and ignores the factual, context-based true teachings of those scriptures. She is a charlatan, just like the charismatic charlatans she admires and follows. I didn't think that at first, but I do now.

 

If it was not right you would be able to show me where it is not right.
You don't even attempt to do that.

 

You basically gave a one-liner in response to this post:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1970660&postcount=144

But you never bothered to answer it.