Baptism in the Holy Spirit

[Yeshua1]

“Go therefore and make DISCIPLES of all the nations …
teaching them to observe ALL things that I have commanded you” (Matt 28:19-20)

Now, you'll need time to figure out what all of this means!

One example of all of the embarrassing goodies is ...
He commanded them to heal the sick and cast out demons!

Art thou getting the picture yet?
If not, please rotate da knob until it comes into focus better.

Then also, true disciples are obedient, and they are in tune with the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit leads the sons of God (see da black below).
He leads them into believing Jesus' promises, commands, etc.
Yup, He leads them into all kinds of things!

How could 2 little verses contain so much misunderstood critical info?
Handy-dandy excuses:
It's a BIG Bible, I don't hear the Spirit too well, I was taught false doctrines at church, etc.

Da ramblings of a Charismatic lunatic may be perused above @ no charge to da peruser!
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So you deny what the Church always held that to mean for 1900 years, and claim the 1905 experience confirms that the church was wrong, and the Charasmatic chaos was wrong?

 

[evangelist-7]

So you deny what the Church always held that to mean for 1900 years,
and claim the 1905 experience confirms that the church was wrong,
and the Charasmatic chaos was wrong?

Whatever ...
My spiritual experiences, which all line up perfectly with the word of God,
PROVE to me what is spiritual Truth, and what is false doctrine.

Then, there are the experiences of those I trust spiritually, such as my wife.
If you ever heard her prophesy in front of 500, you'd know it was from the Lord!
Totally Scriptural, but focused just on the needs of our particular church.
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[DHK]

Whatever ...
My spiritual experiences, which all line up perfectly with the word of God,
PROVE to me what is spiritual Truth, and what is false doctrine.

Then, there are the experiences of those I trust spiritually, such as my wife.
If you ever heard her prophesy in front of 500, you'd know it was from the Lord!
Totally Scriptural, but focused just on the needs of our particular church.
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A woman prophesying in front of 500 is not scriptural is it?

 

[awaken]

That's all you've got to fall back on, your charge of a man-made theology. But who is holding to that - those of us who believe as the church has always believed, or you and your cohorts who follow the teachings and practices of the two men who invented all this occult-based bull 113 years ago?

I was taught what you are teaching now! But that is not what the Bible says! So man has come up with all kind of theories for why they are not here today!
Instead of simply believing what the WORD says!

 

[awaken]

Your charge is "how many different anointings are there?
I gave you an example of a "Charismatic anointing."
Is that the kind of anointing you have--a Benny Hinn type anointing?
That is one kind of anointing that people in Charismatic circles claim to have.
So you tell me how many kinds of anointing there are.

Did Jesus have the same anointing as Benny Hinn?
If you answer yes, you are making a blasphemous statement, as Thomas pointed out to that Hinn dabbles in the occult. Did Jesus do that?

Did Jesus have the same anointing you had? Or did you even have one?
If you did what was it for?

If Jesus "needed" an anointing why did he "need" an anointing? You seem to think that without this so-called anointing he would have been just a man unable to perform any miracle. Your view of Christ is wrong. Jesus never gave up his deity. He was able to perform miracles before his baptism as much as after his baptism. He is God, and always was.

Both his baptism, and "anointing" were purely symbolic. They were to introduce him to the world--to show to the world that this was the beginning of his ministry. He always had power to do miracles. Now he would start performing them. He never gave up his ability to do them.

I am not a dummy, DHK! I know what you were trying to do! It was plain for everyone to see!
I do not know what Benny Hinn believes! I share the scriptures and what they say! You stray away from them and start your belittling to try to demean me!

JEsus had the Spirit without measure! We do not! It is that simple! But that does not disprove that the Holy Spirit can not manifest as the Word says He can in our lives!

 

[awaken]

A woman prophesying in front of 500 is not scriptural is it?

Your kidding right? Are you now saying a woman can not prophecy?

 

[DHK]

Your kidding right? Are you now saying a woman can not prophecy?

Let the women keep silence in the church.
Suffer not a women to teach a man.
Let the women be in submission to the man.
If she have anything to say let her ask her husband at home.

What do you think? You don't believe the Scriptures?

 

[awaken]

Let the women keep silence in the church.
Suffer not a women to teach a man.
Let the women be in submission to the man.
If she have anything to say let her ask her husband at home.

What do you think? You don't believe the Scriptures?

THat proves you do not understand that verse!
How do you reconcile this verse?
I Corinthians 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

I was taught what you are teaching now! But that is not what the Bible says! So man has come up with all kind of theories for why they are not here today!
Instead of simply believing what the WORD says!

You have shown that you do not know or believe what the Bible says. You follow 113-year-old, occult-inspired doctrine.

 

[awaken]

You have shown that you do not know or believe what the Bible says. You follow 113-year-old, occult-inspired doctrine.

I not only believe the Bible...but I walk out what the Bible says I can!

 

[Steadfast Fred]

5548 χρίω [XRI/W] {chríō} \khree'-o\
probably akin to 5530 through the idea of contact; to smear or rub with oil, i.e. (by implication) to consecrate to an office or religious service:--anoint.
See Greek 5530.
Find all occurrences

The word "anointed" in Acts 10:38 does not mean 'filled with the Spirit'. It means, as DHK pointed out, "to consecrate to service".

Pentecostals totally distort the true meaning of "anointing" in their attempt to justify the pagan practice of tongues, slain in the Spirit, etc..

 

[awaken]

5548 χρίω [XRI/W] {chríō} \khree'-o\
probably akin to 5530 through the idea of contact; to smear or rub with oil, i.e. (by implication) to consecrate to an office or religious service:--anoint.
See Greek 5530.
Find all occurrences

The word "anointed" in Acts 10:38 does not mean 'filled with the Spirit'. It means, as DHK pointed out, "to consecrate to service".

Pentecostals totally distort the true meaning of "anointing" in their attempt to justify the pagan practice of tongues, slain in the Spirit, etc..

"You know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached-- how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power,[/B] and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him." (Acts 10:37-38) It says he was anointed with POWER!
I know that annointing is to consecrate to service! But this verse says how he was annointed!

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Power is not speaking of the charismatic bewitching that you are defending.

 

[evangelist-7]

All who are ANOINTED by Jesus with the baptism with the Holy Spirit ...
receive great spiritual power, plus one or more of the 9 spiritual power gifts in 1 Cor 12.

In the NT churches, all who had a 5-fold ministry leadership position (Eph 4:11)
possessed this baptism of anointing, along with one or more of the 9 gifts.

But, Satan and sinful man combined together to do away with all of these things
in the major church organizations, i.e. RCC and EOC.

Welcome to the real world of spiritual Truth ... truly, it is precious and hard to come by!

Kind of reminds me of what is holy and the pearls, which Jesus mentioned.
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[Yeshua1]

I not only believe the Bible...but I walk out what the Bible says I can!

What exactly are you walking oout that the rest of us here are not doing ?

 

[Yeshua1]

"You know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached-- how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power,[/B] and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him." (Acts 10:37-38) It says he was anointed with POWER!
I know that annointing is to consecrate to service! But this verse says how he was annointed!

Would think jesus already had power, you know, the God becoming a man bit?

 

[Yeshua1]

All who are ANOINTED by Jesus with the baptism with the Holy Spirit ...
receive great spiritual power, plus one or more of the 9 spiritual power gifts in 1 Cor 12.

In the NT churches, all who had a 5-fold ministry leadership position (Eph 4:11)
possessed this baptism of anointing, along with one or more of the 9 gifts.

But, Satan and sinful man combined together to do away with all of these things
in the major church organizations, i.e. RCC and EOC.

Welcome to the real world of spiritual Truth ... truly, it is precious and hard to come by!

Kind of reminds me of what is holy and the pearls, which Jesus mentioned.
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the Holy Spirit leadsus into knowing the trutjhs of the scriptures, so whatever 'annoiting" much of Charasmatic circles under today is NOT from Him, for they are being led into severe errors/heresies at times!

And with the canon closed by God, what would so called revealtions would prophets/apostles be sent with today from God that the Bible did not address already?

 

[evangelist-7]

the Holy Spirit leads us into knowing the truths of the scriptures,
so whatever 'anointing" much of Charismatic circles under today is NOT from Him,
for they are being led into severe errors/heresies at times!

And with the canon closed by God, what would so called revelations would
prophets/apostles be sent with today from God that the Bible did not address already?

The NT churches had the Holy Spirit inside those who were born-again,
so why did THEY have the baptism and the spiritual power gifts?

There are lots of specifics that the Lord would like to help us with.
Take the case of my wife, which I've already shared.
The best and most impressive way for God to present His specific advice to a church
is through someone whom the church trusts as one who speaks for Him.
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[Yeshua1]

The NT churches had the Holy Spirit inside those who were born-again,
so why did THEY have the baptism and the spiritual power gifts?

There are lots of specifics that the Lord would like to help us with.
Take the case of my wife, which I've already shared.
The best and most impressive way for God to present His specific advice to a church
is through someone whom the church trusts as one who speaks for Him.
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Spiritual authority/leadership in Church thru males, and the HS speaks to us thru His bible authored and also through proptings/convictions, NOT thru personal propechies!

So your church heeds and obeys your wife as a modern prophetess of the lord?

 

[The Biblicist]

The Baptism in the Spirit

The doctrine of the Baptism in the Spirit is like putty in the hands of many, as they shape it any way they want to mean anything they like.

1. It is predictive in Matthew 3:11-Acts 1:5
2. It is restrictive to water baptized believers - Mt. 3:11
3. It is specific
a. The administrator is Christ not the Spirit
b. The mode is immersion - the whole house was filled wherein they sat
c. The element is the Holy Spirit
d. The subject is water baptized church members
4. It is divinely confirmed
a. With SOUND - "a mighty rushing wind"
b. With "tongues of fire" sitting upon each
5. It is Historically fulfilled - occurred only one other time - Acts 10-11:17
6. It is the normal Divine confirmation of every New House of God
a. The first Tabernacle - Ex. 40:35-37
b. The first Temple - 2 Chron. 7:1-3
c. The first Church - Acts 1:15-2:3
7. It is non-repetative - Acts 11:15-17 - "at the beginning" - Peter would not baptize Gentiles without this divine confirmation they were to be received into the new Spirit baptized house of God.


It has nothing to do with PERSONAL salvation or service but with PUBLIC identification of God's ordained institutuion - the house of God.

Annointing has to do with empowering both in the Old and New Testament and nothing to do with the Baptism in the Spirit. To be filled is to be annointed with power and we must be filled MANY TIMES repetitively (Eph. 5:18). It is not regeneration as regeneration is as old as the book of Job and is the only solution for spiritually dead sinners - spiritual death is SPIRITUAL SEPARATION while spiritual life is SPIRITUAL UNION with God = regeneration/circumcision of the heart.

Finally, I realize that the Pentecostals will not receive this or any other truth that contradicts their choas of confusion.