Featured free will vs. election???????

That is why they call him Superman on the road. He is the man of steel.

 

Icon,

You have been spot on about the character of the faux-Dr. and also HoS. I actually admire you for hanging in their with them. You have much more patience and tolerance than I do. The faux-Dr. is just that. He cheapens the value of the ink on his self-bequeathed degree. HoS? There is no depth that he is not willing to sink to. The good news is that there is always hope that God will grant repentance. Short of that I cannot read their posts anymore and have taken steps to assure that.

Keep fighting the good fight.

 

wrong thread, my mistake

 

SN,

Well all of us come into right standing with God the same way; through the blood. All true Christians were once vile sinners who deserved nothing but wrath and indignation (1 Cor. 6:11). If God were truly "fair" He would do one of two things: 1. Save everybody 2. Condemn everybody. It is obvious to most on this board that God does not save everybody. Universalism makes a mockery of Christ's death. But praise be to God that He does not condemn everybody. He shows great mercy and grace to some. Is that fair? By human standards, no. God is not fair. God is holy. But He is also merciful and gracious. We often lose sight of that because we want to be the captains of our own ship.

 

Thanks for your response.

 

Those two are birds of feather -- like attracts like -- both love lying and making lies. When one comes in to defend outright lies it tells you more about his walk than his words can ever undo. They can't even blush or feel shame over what they've engaged in. Hmmmmm...

Leave them alone and they'll both fall in the ditch together.

 

Not too far back he was defending HWs terminologies, once the majority crowd started gathering against HW, then P4T switchied gears and compelled him to be circumcised LOL

 

Speaking of birds of a feather:applause:

 

There really is no point in even debating or discussing these things for those who hold this view, in fact if he and I haven't been sovereignly granted or allowed to believe your view, you are rebelling by going against God's plan for us in trying to convince us.

In reality all determinists who discuss the topic truly believe in contra causal free will

 

Not trying say the servant was saved, but isn't repentance and faith in Christ in itself fruit?

 

This could have been sent via PM...meaning you are in the same mud you accuse others of slinging. Self righteous hypocricy at its finest.

 

Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

 

So you agree?

 

Be careful, when I said something like that I was accused of blasphemy

 

How long does one have to have sin present until one determines that a professed believe wasn't/isn't "saved in the first place"? Does a slip of the tongue prove it? Twenty Four hours? One week? One month? A Year? Denying Christ 3 times? Arguing with God about eating pork? Disobeying the Holy Spirit when told not to go to Jerusalem for a feast? Compelling Gentiles to be circumcised?

"And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds" 2 Peter 2:7-8

Lot is hardly the example of a fruit-bearing believer. The only thing he had in common with Abraham was that He believed in the same God Abraham did.

I would even venture to say that this argument could be used against MOST in this forum, myself included, in the repetition of heated debates:

"For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:" 2 Cor 12:20

"But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient," 2 Timothy 2:23-24

" Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time. Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man." Colossians 4:5

"Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks." Eph 5:4

Some have done this for years on the forums. Is that evidence that they are not saved?

 

No. Repentance is not listed as a fruit of the spirit. It's clear the wicked servant did not repent as he accused the Lord of being wicked.

 

You are correct...you do not see it...because it isn't there

Me and iconoclast disagree on quite a bit, but I would take his advice on believing what you currently believe :thumbsup: