free will vs. election???????

[webdog]

No. Repentance is not listed as a fruit of the spirit. It's clear the wicked servant did not repent as he accused the Lord of being wicked.

Since repentance and faith are two sides of the same coin...did you somehow miss "faith" in your reply?

 

[Amy.G]

Since repentance and faith are two sides of the same coin...did you somehow miss "faith" in your reply?

I already went through this with HW. You can read my posts.

 

[DrJamesAch]

How long does one have to have sin present until one determines that a professed believe wasn't/isn't "saved in the first place"? Does a slip of the tongue prove it? Twenty Four hours? One week? One month? A Year? Denying Christ 3 times? Arguing with God about eating pork? Disobeying the Holy Spirit when told not to go to Jerusalem for a feast? Compelling Gentiles to be circumcised?

"And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds" 2 Peter 2:7-8

Lot is hardly the example of a fruit-bearing believer. The only thing he had in common with Abraham was that He believed in the same God Abraham did.

I would even venture to say that this argument could be used against MOST in this forum, myself included, in the repetition of heated debates:

"For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:" 2 Cor 12:20

"But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient," 2 Timothy 2:23-24

" Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time. Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man." Colossians 4:5

"Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks." Eph 5:4

Some have done this for years on the forums. Is that evidence that they are not saved?

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[webdog]

I already went through this with HW. You can read my posts.

I did not see them, but at any rate I'll just chalk it up as another notch on your 'angry calvinist' meter. You've become quite cold and calloused since your re-re-conversion.

Faith in Christ is bearing fruit, plain and simple. It is fruit of a changed heart.

 

[awaken]

You are correct...you do not see it...because it isn't there

Me and iconoclast disagree on quite a bit, but I would take his advice on believing what you currently believe :thumbsup:

What do I believe...You contradicted yourself here!
You said I am correct but disagree with what I believe??????

 

[webdog]

What do I believe...You contradicted yourself here!
You said I am correct but disagree with what I believe??????

Huh? I agree with you entirely

 

[Amy.G]

I did not see them, but at any rate I'll just chalk it up as another notch on your 'angry calvinist' meter. You've become quite cold and calloused since your re-re-conversion.

Faith in Christ is bearing fruit, plain and simple. It is fruit of a changed heart.

I'm not cold. And I'm not angry. I posted a lot of scripture and explanation on the wicked servant last night. I just do not want to do it again.
Maybe you could explain why you think he was saved and yet he will be in hell with the unbelievers.

 

[awaken]

Huh? I agree with you entirely

On my last post....you said you agreed then you said you took iconoclast over my belief on this subject. It was confusing to me and sounded contradicting!

 

[webdog]

I'm not cold. And I'm not angry. I posted a lot of scripture and explanation on the wicked servant last night. I just do not want to do it again.
Maybe you could explain why you think he was saved and yet he will be in hell with the unbelievers.

Didn't I initially say I wasn't arguing that point? Parables are not to micro analyzed to create doctrine. I agree the servant was not saved.

 

[Amy.G]

Didn't I initially say I wasn't arguing that point? Parables are not to micro analyzed to create doctrine. I agree the servant was not saved.

Then why are you arguing with me and saying I'm cold and calloused?

 

[webdog]

On my last post....you said you agreed then you said you took iconoclast over my belief on this subject. It was confusing to me and sounded contradicting!

I said I agreed with IC that you should keep believing what you do...not that I agree with his position. What you believe (the absence of total inability found in Scripture) is what you should continue to believe as it is the truth.

 

[awaken]

I said I agreed with IC that you should keep believing what you do...not that I agree with his position. What you believe (the absence of total inability found in Scripture) is what you should continue to believe as it is the truth.

Ok..I see now!

 

[webdog]

Then why are you arguing with me and saying I'm cold and calloused?

I asked a specific question in regards to bearing fruit, specifically to your reply that "There are many people who "play" the Christian but if they don't have any spiritual fruit, then they really were never a Christian to begin with"

The response to just spend my time going back through your posts is what was cold.

 

[Amy.G]

I asked a specific question in regards to bearing fruit. Your response to just spend my time going back through your posts is what was cold.

I thought you were disagreeing about the wicked servant. Yes, faith is a fruit. Repentance is not on the list. You seem to be talking about saving faith, but I don't think that's what the fruit of the spirit is. It's an extra filling of faith that some people have.

 

[DrJamesAch]

You are angry.......because I was absolutely corrected by a woman.

You feel a sense of RAGE in your nasty little heart because I listened to the correction of a woman over an above YOU.

Your Misoginy is YOUR problem........not mine.........

AMY............explained where I was wrong..........and YOU couldn't.

Amy is the Deborah to YOU ..............you are the sissy Barak.

You are "Barak".........Amy is "Deborah".........

And Amy is twice the man either YOU or I am in this debate.

Quit while you are ahead......

Arrogance. Sheer Arrogance.

Um, you weren't too far off when pointing out the redefining definitions in her Calvinism. Check out the above definitions of faith. Faith is a fruit, but yet Calvinism says faith is a gift. Fruit can be the result of a work, but if faith is a work (as Calvinism erroneously defines it), that makes work a gift, then there's no gift that can produce works or fruit.

So then the only solution is (snap finger here), change the definition of faith from text to text!

That slight of hand was so slick nobody caught it.

 

[HisWitness]

I thought you were disagreeing about the wicked servant. Yes, faith is a fruit. Repentance is not on the list. You seem to be talking about saving faith, but I don't think that's what the fruit of the spirit is. It's an extra filling of faith that some people have.

all 3 servants were saved and held accountable for what the Lord gave them to do while he was gone--they were all 3 judged at the same time(judgement seat of Christ)its very evident you are rejecting this because you cant understand the other part.

 

[webdog]

all 3 servants were saved and held accountable for what the Lord gave them to do while he was gone--they were all 3 judged at the same time(judgement seat of Christ)its very evident you are rejecting this because you cant understand the other part.

JJump, glad to see you snuck back on here! :laugh: what will your next screen name be?

 

[HisWitness]

I thought you were disagreeing about the wicked servant. Yes, faith is a fruit. Repentance is not on the list. You seem to be talking about saving faith, but I don't think that's what the fruit of the spirit is. It's an extra filling of faith that some people have.

you say the same thing about the rich man and lazarus being a parable--yet you say it is literal--so why do you say this parable of the Steward's Servants is nor literal ??

 

[HisWitness]

JJump, glad to see you snuck back on here! :laugh: what will your next screen name be?

I don't have a new screen name--and will not create another friend

not my problem that folks are bound in tradition and reject truth--I understand I also was there and did the same thing.

But banning from these forums will not solve the problem-as paul said it will be a terrible thing to fall in the hands of the living God..we all will face the FIRE as 1st Corinthians says--no matter how much we reject it--and the FIRE will BURN the wood,hay,stubble out of us :tear::tear:

 

[preacher4truth]

I don't have a new screen name--and will not create another friend

not my problem that folks are bound in tradition and reject truth--I understand I also was there and did the same thing.

But banning from these forums will not solve the problem-as paul said it will be a terrible thing to fall in the hands of the living God..we all will face the FIRE as 1st Corinthians says--no matter how much we reject it--and the FIRE will BURN the wood,hay,stubble out of us :tear::tear:

So what turned you into an Millennial Exclusionist? How long were you saved before you adopted this teaching?