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I do not we are saved by grace but it doesn't stop there alone it continues through faith.

Faith is made up knowledge that comes from God and belief and trust that is a verb an action from man in other words God does not have to believe and trust in Himself we do and we all know these scriptures.

Psalm 73:28
But it is good for me to draw near to God; I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, That I may declare all Your works.


Romans 4:5
However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

Faith without deeds is a dead faith, faith without love they are nothing. Regeneration before faith is ridiculous. It is a ridiculous thing to preach the Gospel to someone and bid them to come to Jesus who is all ready saved. It is the sick and the dying who need the cure.

Grace is nothing to someone who has never heard about it or does not believe in it.

 

My salvation was a cooperative act between me and God.

God draws, but we have to surrender to His drawing. God invites, but we have to reach out, choose, and accept His invitation. God does not force or compel.

A fatalistic, deterministic god is the god of Islam, not Christianity.

 

I guess then that the flowers in my garden decide to bloom & the water from my watering can decided to become wet & the birds of the air decided this morning to fly. And if thats your position, than your saying that sinners can decide to become saints.

I tell you this my friend because I believe it to be true, as true as God made apples, that the function & order of life is because of GODS CHOICE (not ours).

 

Then I will then counter with my conclusion (paraphrasing KYRED) ....Our faith has zilch to do with our eternal destiny but everything to do with the benefits to be had from obedience to the gospel here, now, in this realm.

 

We are not talking about the general creation and its physical attributes but rather about humans and spiritual conditions.

 

My Eternal Salvation was a coopeerative act between myself and God.

:thumbsup: seconded:thumbsup:

 

Plants never had choices, that is an erroneous analogy.

 

Thirded :thumbs:

The problem is in how the OP defines "cooperate". If cooperate is meant to imply that God has half of a necklace that has saving power, and we have the other half that also contains some kind of saving power and connect them together, then yes, cooperation is erroneous because their is nothing salvific within ourselves.

HOWEVER, that's because cooperation is erroneously defined. Cooperation is merely God being the giver, and we being the receivers, but God has made receiving conditional on our doing so through faith. Faith is a response to being obedient to God's illumination and enlightenment of the gospel. (Paul "I was not DISOBEDIENT to the heavenly vision" Acts 26:19).

And again, Calvinists/Reformers arrive at this straw man argument by mischaracterizing what we Non Cals say by cooperation, and because Calvinism defines faith as a work which is erroneous. Thus because they impose the caricature of faith being a work upon Non Cals, they come to the false conclusion that being obedient in response by faith is a work.

Again, I will list verses that prove that faith in Christ is necessary, and that obedience to the gospel is a requirement.

"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." Isaiah 1:18

"I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." John 8:24

"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:18

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Hebrews 11:1

" These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth." Hebrews 11:13

"And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief." Hebrews 3:18-19

"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:" 2 Thess 1:8

" By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name" Romans 1:5

"But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:" Romans 16:26

'My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children." Hosea 4:6

"And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me." John 16:3

"And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me" John 16:8-9

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:9

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live" John 11:25 (Oh and Calvinists, pay attention to that "though he were dead" part!)

 

You thought wrong.

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

 

fourthed......I was a "synergist" around before you guys made synergism cool.

 

Attributing scripture to satanic pride is a new low for even you. Your entire post is a fallacy.

 

Go ahead and go off on your own little self appointed diatribe.

 

Yes Satan used the Bible against Jesus, but Jesus didn't respond with philosophical reasoning and emotional arguments, He responded with Scripture and quoted it correctly.

This comment is based on pure emotionalist logic. The Bible says otherwise.

 

Probably not.....I do not think Q.F. is easily provoked.
He's a rather cool customer.