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Your argument is ridiculous. Whether you use the word "pastor" or "shepherd" they are both English words, which mean the exact same thing. One comes from German, one comes from Latin, but BOTH are NOW English words, and they are synonymous. They mean EXACTLY the same thing. Every Thesaurus lists "shepherd" and "pastor" as ENGLISH synonyms.

Ephesians does not, by the way, use the verb form, but the NOUN form. It says that "pastors" or "shepherds" are given to the Church, to train the church for the work of the ministry. That is an elder. A pastor, is an elder, is an overseer. All EXACTLY the same thing, no matter what your cult leader says....

 

Liar.

From Thayers:

poimēn
Thayer Definition:
1) a herdsman, especially a shepherd
1a) in the parable, he to whose care and control others have committed themselves, and whose precepts they follow
2) metaphorically
2a) the presiding officer, manager, director, of any assembly: so of Christ the Head of the church
2a1) of the overseers of the Christian assemblies
2a2) of kings and princes


STRONGS:

poimēn
poy-mane'
Of uncertain affinity; a shepherd (literally or figuratively): - shepherd, pastor.

Eph 4:11 και αυτος εδωκεν τους μεν αποστολους τους δε προφητας τους δε ευαγγελιστας τους δε ποιμενας και διδασκαλους

N-APM
Part of Speech: Noun
Case: Accusative (direct object; motion toward; time: "how long")
Number: Plural
Gender: Masculine

 

Nor did the word "Elder."

But the Greek Word for Pastor, Poimen, did indeed exist, and is used here.

 

You are ridiculous. The words pastor and shepherd mean exactly the same thing. You are right that pastors and elders are the same office. However, it is used in its noun form in Ephesians, NOT in a verbal form. Its not just that elders "pastor" or "shepherd" its that they ARE "pastors" or "shepherds".

 

No, it does not. It says "pastor." As to the rest, that is ridiculous, and stupid. Paul uses it that way. He says "Pastors" or "shpeherds" (same exact meaning) (not "elders who shepherd") are given for the training of the church.

 

Well fist, I am not one of them. Pastor/Elder/Bishop (overseer) are all different names for the same office. Paul was not setting forth to write a theological treatise, where he gave specific names to each office. He was simply delineating the offices according to function. Jesus is also referred to as THE "Good Pastor" and THE "Overseer"....that does not mean He is two different people! Its two names for the SAME OFFICE.

 

Oh, I doubt that. You lay claim to the title of "bishop" don't you?

 

Here it is and it was a whole lot easier than I thought it would be:

This is the first two lines of Georgics, Book III.

Here is the English translation: "I’ll sing of you, great Pales, also, and you Apollo, famed shepherd of Amphrysus, and of you, woods and rivers of Mount Lycaeus."

Note the English word "shepherd" that corresponds to the Latin word "pastor."

 

No.You are trying to make a false division. "Shepherd" is NOT a Greek word. Its of German origin originally, and is an Olde English compound word from two "sheep" and "herd." It is of MUCH later origin than "pastor," and would have been completely unknown to anyone earlier than about the 13th century, so if we are going to choose the word for translation, it should be "pastor" not "shepherd." One of the oldest translations of the Bible (Vulgate) uses "pastor" , nearly a millennium* before "shepherd" came into existence.

It does not say they "are to pastor." It says God has GIVEN PASTORS for the training of the church. So "pastor" is an office, and that office is the same office as elder. Kind of like the president of the U.S. You can refer to him as the "President" or as the "Chief Executive." Or you can refer to your car as "My car" or "my automobile."

 

Reject the Bible if you wish. God's Word clearly says that He has given "pastors" for the training of the church. Not "elders who pastors." "Pastors." A type/group of people called "pastor." He names them right along with evangelists and apostles. You are DENYING the Word of God.

 

Why do you insist on using a late origin old English word, instead of the much earlier, "Pastor"? It MOST CERTAINLY DOES say it!

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;


I agree that the office of Pastor, is also the office of elder. You are arguing against yourself. The sad part is, you are losing.