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This non pastor thing is a primary issue for the houschurch movement. The other one is "pulpiteering" in other words preaching. They do not like pastors and they do not like preaching. Its a bunch of garbage. And apparently this guy has taken his cues from Obama, repeat the same lie over and over again and hope someone will pick it up.

 

All of it. Your exegesis is horrible. You are inventing distinctions where there are not any. God gave "shepherds" or "pastors" (same exact word), for the building up of the church. Of course the "shepherds" (Pastors, same word), are to "shepherd". That's what "shepherd's" do! And Paul didn't say, "Unless you can only find one qualified elder, then inform them that they are no longer a church (assembly) regardless of how many believers are gathered together in the assembl..., errrr, group." That is just outright silly. Again, there is not a SINGLE VERSE in the NT, that REQUIRES more than one elder. "appointing elders" in every town, is not definitive. I can also say, "elect mayors in every town">...that does not mean each town gets more than one!

Not dodging the question; if you follow Frank Viola, you have bigger issues than Ecclesiology.

 

Here is another link to show this garbage comes from the houschurch movement:

http://homechurchhelp.com/biblical-pastors

 

"Elder" is not found in a single Greek manuscript either, since both "Pastor" and "elder" are English words, not Greek. However, the Greek Word for Pastor, "Poimen" is found all over the New Testament. If you had studied Greek, like those of us that God has called to PASTOR, you might know that...

 

I thought God called you all to write books and get your doctorates. Imagine that!:smilewinkgrin:

 

There are two words that are translated as "elder" presbuteros and episkopos. Episkopos is a later word in the time of the NT and presbuteros come out of Judaism.

I might also add where in scripture is a pastor "called"? If pastors are called then how is that any different than someone who works in a trade. In Judaism is was considered a part of worship for someone who was in a trade.

 

What is the page limit in this forum?

 

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You obviously do not have a clue. You have gotten many good answers to your objections. It is quite clear you are not interested in serious debate. If you want to get technical, the Lord Jesus Christ leads and heads each local church.

In turn, you cannot show one place in the Bible where it says elders, bishops, and pastors are not synonymous. You probably have not served in a denomination and church that has elder government and hierarchies. In the first place, the churches in the Pauline letters are local churches, so hierarchies are unbiblical. Secondly, elders are elected by the congregation, and are suppose to be elected on spiritual maturity. More often than not, it is based on social status. Elder government becomes elder worship.

The local autonomous is a Baptist distinctive. If that bothers you, join the RCC.

 

And you would be lying. That is a sin, you know.