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What's the matter? You never sang that song as a youngster? Out of the mouths of babes.

....Except ye turn, and become as little children, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven. Mt 18:3

for the kingdom of God is.....righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Ro 14:17

 

No.....Ava Maria yes.....and not with some creepy dyed blond with a Paige boy haircut glaring at me...no n no.

Irish Catholic nuns dressed in Penguin costumes with rulers & pointers aimed at me....yes. Have you ever lived through 2 hour Latin Masses? :laugh:

 

....all sounds very killjoy to me....

(hey, the bleach blonde is doing a good job with those deaf kids)

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“I feel sorry for little babies... When a little baby is born into this cold world, he's confused! He's frightened! He needs something to cheer him up... The way I see it, as soon as a baby is born, he should be issued a banjo!” Linus
http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/53210-the-complete-peanuts-1959-1960-vol-5

 

Maybe this is more to your taste...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AcmUK8oJUY

 

Try it in sacred harp..then maybe.:laugh:

 

Googled it, couldn't find it, sorry.

 

In St. John chapter 8 Christ is having a dialog with the unbelieving Jews and he told them in verse 23 that they were from beneath and of this world. In verse 24 Christ also told the Jews that they would die in their sins, but this verse does not end here, he goes on and say's IF ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. So what can we learn from this verse ? Number one, All men are condemned to die, ye shall die in your sins. Number two, Christ stresses to the Jews the word believe. The word believe cannot be left out of eternal salvation, and in this verse eternal salvation is being discussed, not time salvation. Why is time salvation, a doctrine of PB not being discussed here ? Answer: The results of not believing in verse 24 is dying in your sins if you do not believe.

 

"the Spirit where he willeth doth blow....thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit." (YLT)

OR, 'Old Regulars' live and die by that!

 

Salzer, do you also hold that all OT Gentiles outside of the Mosaic Covenant went to hell?

 

Ye search the scriptures, because ye think that in them ye have eternal life; and these are they which bear witness of me; Jn 5:39

IMO, Christianity in general has made the same mistake.

Without the Spirit, it's just ink on paper.

'Gospel regeneration' is just as erroneous as 'baptismal regeneration' or 'works regeneration'. But don't worry, you won't go to hell if you disagree with that.

Paul reiterates it here:

but hath now been manifested by the appearing of our Saviour Christ Jesus, who abolished death, and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 2 Tim 1:10

There is no 'formula' to be found in the scriptures that abolishes death or imparts life and immortality, the gospels tells of it, it doesn't impart it.

 

Christ is salvation. Believing in Christ cannot be left out of eternal salvation. Except ye believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be SAVED. Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: For there in none other NAME under heaven given among men whereby we MUST be saved. If a person has a Christless gospel of eternal life, he has no gospel at all. You ask me if I believe all OT gentiles outside of the Mosanic covenant went to hell. No, Rahab the harlot went to heaven, as an example.

 

I do not deny the Holy Spirit is in the formula of eternal salvation. I know a person must be regenerated by the Holy Spirit, but it leads to belief of the truth, 11 Thess 2:13-14 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit AND BELIEF of THE TRUTH: Whereunto he called you by our GOSPEL. So what is this gospel that men believes when they are regenerated by the Spirit ? Answer: Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the GOSPEL OF CHRIST: for it is the power of God UNTO SALVATION to everyone that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the gentile.

 

What did 'my personal act of believing' in this time dimension have to do with my name being written in the book in the eternal dimension?

You're taking that out of context. He's speaking to 'that generation' of Jews who betrayed and murdered Him. What He's saying is in the same vein as:

And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation. Acts 2:40

And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people. Acts 3:23

3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all in like manner perish.
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Lu 13

Ignoring the immense significance of 'that generation' given in the scriptures is like having a grand canyon sized hole in your theology.

Nothing PBs teach disputes that. What we'll dispute is what mainstream Christianity has done with the meaning of the word 'sozo'.

AMEN!

:thumbs: ...and in the direct lineage of Christ.

 

SALVATION. SAVED. The gospel 'saves'. PBs preach that wholeheartedly, I believe that wholeheartedly. What we/I don't believe is that means 'the acquisition of immortality', or 'once bound for hell but now bound for heaven', as what is almost universally believed in mainstream Christianity.

He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life;......Jn 3:36

.....He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life,...Jn5:24

... He that believeth hath eternal life. Jn 6:47

But he that doeth the truth cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, that they have been wrought in God. Jn 3:21

Those believing/relying on Christ are already 'immortal', by their belief and obedience comes 'the quality of' eternal life.

'lay hold on the life eternal, whereunto thou wast called'

 

What do you mean by, " the acquisition of immortality' We were chosen from before the foundations of the world....For those God foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of the son, that he may be the 1st born among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called: those he called , he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

"What then shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all---how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things?"

In the last passage, those who have been foreknown, predestined , called, justified, and glorified are those for whom Christ died. They are those who have been chosen by God to belong to Jesus before the foundation of the world.

 

"...Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved..."

I'm pretty sure than salzer, along with myriads of others, read that as:

'Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt 'go to heaven', i.e. 'acquire immortality'.

...never mind the rest of it that reads "..thou and thy house".

 

God chosen the dead sinner in Jesus Christ before the foundation of the world and then "in time" makes him spiritually alive!

You are ignoring the Scripture!

Everything necessary for the salvation of the Elect was accomplished on the Cross but those elect are saved in time!

I have said that God will bring all his elect to Salvation. Can you dispute that! Furthermore I was not responding to the OP but the statement:

I have not seen you produce any Scripture to support either statement in the above.

 

I do not believe faith as a condition to salvation, but as a result of salvation (faith is a gift of God and a fruit of the Spirit). However I not only believe the faith of Gods elect will lay hold on Christ as their redeemer in the past tense but also in the present tense also, which is the day God revealed his Son in me, Gal 1:16 that PB say, God may or may not make this salvation known to the elect.