Featured honest question to PB's and Reformed's

I probably wouldn't, to be honest. But, if He led me there, I'd go licketty-split.

What is the "big ta-doo" about LS???

 

Just take comfort, Brother Tim, in knowing that not one sheep will be left outside the fold, and not one goat added to it.

 

Would say that Election is based upon the will of God towards the sinners jesus died to atone for directly, and that those sinners will ahve the Holy Spirit apply the effectual garce of god rrequired to have spiritually dead persons become spiritually alive again in jesus!

UNTIL that point in time, ALL of us still sinners, dead in sins and tresgressions...

the elect know that were ONLY after getting saved by the Lord!

 

Perhaps the question should be best posed to all the Calvinists that call us Hyper-Calvinists because of our Temporal Salvation stance.

 

ONLY if you think the Lord was not able to apply his grace towards her, and I think "ALL things are possible with God!"

 

Well, all thsoe whom God chose to elect unto eternal life will hear and believe in this lifetime, right?

if they have not been born again while living, will not get so once physically dead!

Good news though is that every one Go dintends to get saved will somehow hear and respond!

And those such as babies aborted, infants, brain damaged etc will get saved by his grace and compassion, will not the judge of the whole earth do what is right?

 

Please define "temporal salvation" for me. I honestly wanna know more about it, an honest and sincere question I ask...

 

don't PB hold that the elect will get saved regardless if they even hear the message, as already been redeemed by Cross, and that the main difference is that while all the elect go to heaven, only some believe in jesus here and now, and experience the Lord now in their lives?

 

True to form, no spell check, not one iota of scripture to back it up.

Have you not read through the thread first and thought first before posting? Again, true to form.

 

Do you know ANY NT passage that even hints that one can get saved who has not received Jesus thru faith then?

Are the lost saved until they get saved then by God, wouldn't that be like preaching to the already saved to get them saved?

 

Build your case from scripture that 'saved' means what you gom it up to mean.

From scripture, show sozo to be synonymous with the birth from above or the acquisition of eternal life.

Show from scripture that goats are transformed into sheep by the gospel.

 

You then understand d our position.....good!:thumbs:

 

You keep talking like Yoda and you can forget about it. :smilewinkgrin:

 

You can mostly answer your own question by taking stock of how much better off you are now as compared to before you came to Christ.

IMHO, a clean conscience is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, benefit to be had from gospel obedience.

 

Since I dont have Brother Kyreds elegance with the written word, maybe this will help.

Taken from: Questions and Answers Regarding Recent Primitive Baptist Tension

Written by Michael Gowens

Now, PB’s have characteristically held, not to “Lordship Salvation” but, to “Temporal Salvation”. That is to say, our position has been that there is a distinction to be made between Sonship and Discipleship—between being a child of God and being a follower of Jesus Christ. In the Lordship Salvation paradigm, regeneration and discipleship are so intertwined that one does not exist without the other. In 2002, a PB preacher in Virginia preached a sermon in which he labored to prove that “belief in Jesus Christ and eternal life are married—you cannot put asunder what God has joined together.” That’s the “Lordship Salvation” position. But Primitive Baptists do not believe that regeneration automatically produces discipleship. We believe that though the Lord has a big family, a people “out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people”, yet only “few” are walking the narrow way of discipleship. This practice of distinguishing between eternal salvation and time salvation, between union with Christ and communion with Him, between regeneration and gospel conversion, between preservation and perseverance, between predestination and providence, etc. is crucial to the correct interpretation of God’s word. God’s child may in fact live in disobedience to God’s revealed will for his life, and fail to glorify the Lord who redeemed him in this world, as the tragic cases of Lot , King Saul, Solomon, Samson, the Rich Young Ruler and others demonstrate. He may be deceived in his mind by false religion. Christians may in fact be carnal, allowing the old nature to dominate, as the Corinthian Church reveals (1 Cor. 3:1-4). But there are blessings to be had in obedience—that is, there is a salvation in the gospel from this present evil world that the prodigal child misses in this world.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but PB's believe to enter into the kingdom of God is to join the PB church. So when you say a child of God is walking in disobedience and can be in false religion you are meaning churches other than PB.

 

OK. You're wrong.