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the adoption as sons written there likks to receiving our glorified bodies, so we are adopted right now, called children of god, but not in earnest. not receing FULLNESS of our adoption, as THAT awaits seconc coming and resurrection!

And we believers also groan, even though we have the Holy Spirit within us as a foretaste of future glory, for we long for our bodies to be released from sin and suffering. We, too, wait with eager hope for the day when God will give us our full rights as his adopted children,[j] including the new bodies he has promised us.

Romans 8:23 NLT

not a big fan usually, but they translated this spot on!

 

ROFLOL, good golly Miss Molly. The NLT adulterates the text to pour Calvinism in and you cite it as an example? Recall the thread about bad translations, you just cited one.

Adoption is split apart so it can be applied to salvation with no basis in theology or scripture. Please stop rewriting the text.

 

we have been adopted by god when born again, so we have the full spiritual blessings in him now, but the redemption of our bodies back by God awaits second coming, and that will be the fullness of what it means to have been adopted!

Hebrews syayes that God has no 'bastard" kids, so how can we be called children of god, and in the family if not been adopted by him? that would make Hebrews saying a mistruth then, correct?

 

Repeating falsehood does not make it true. We are eagerly awaiting out adoption, not the rest of our adoption, or the culmination of our adoption and so forth and so on. Rewriting the text is all Calvinism has to offer.

None of the naturally born children are "bastards," but they have not received the benefits of adoption, the redemption of their bodies. You have to keep your eye on the ball when dealing with Calvinism's defense, because they jump from one falsehood to another non-stop. Misrepresenting what you say, what scriptures say, what Calvinism says to create fog and shroud the truth. Red flags, folks, red flags.

 

If we were not adopted by God, we would still be in kingdom of satan, lost, and not able to call Jesus Lord, or Father Abba!

 

Just because you make stuff up, it remains an invention of man. Romans 8:23 says we are eagerly awaiting our adoption.

No need to change the word used to describe being transferred from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His Son. No amount of rewriting that verse will insert adoption. When we are spiritually placed in Christ, we are made alive together with Christ. So even Calvinism accepts those regenerated in Christ are able to call Jesus Lord and cry out "Abba Father."

 

ONLY those who have been saved and reborn can do that, and that would be the children of God, adopted into being co -hiers with Jesus!

 

One falsehood after another, denying scripture after scripture. We are awaiting adoption, it will occur at Christ's second coming, Romans 8:23. No verse says or suggests those born anew have been adopted. Rather, those born anew are predestined to adoption at Christ's second coming.

 

How can we be calle dthe children of God right now if adoption still future event?

So NONE are adopted yet by God , as ALL might die now before Jesus returns?

 

We are spiritual children of God because we have been born anew. When someone is born of God, they are children of God. This is not rocket science.

Now as spiritually born children of God, we eagerly await our adoption, the redemption of our bodies at Christ's second coming.

And yes, as spiritual children of God, many, everyone so far, physically dies before his or her adoption, the redemption of our bodies. But those who died in Christ will be raised first, then those living will be changed in the twinkling of an eye, at Christ's second coming and we will meet Him in the air. Does any of that ring a bell?

 

we must be adopted by god to get to heave, so until the Rapture, none have made it there yet?

 

While true, the adoption is assured, sealed by the Holy Spirit, Who Paul states quite plainly is given as a down payment toward that day.

Ephesians 1, NASB
13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation -having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory. [Emphasis added]​

Clearly the adoption is secured.

 

How do you know whether or not you have been adopted yet?

 

By the Holy Spirit within us who testifies to that fact. :thumbsup:

 

More claims of being redeemed when Christ came the second time? No one has been adopted as pledged and assured by being sealed with the Holy Spirit. Anyone who claims they know they have undergone our bodily redemption and met Christ in the air is a looney tune!

Look at scripture, what does the Holy Spirit testify to? John 15:26

 

No one has been adopted, but the adoption is sealed. It is guaranteed. It is as though it has happened, because it will happen. God has so promised. What is your problem with this?

 

All Christians have been adopted already.

From A Baptist Catechism with commentary;

[QUOTE]Adoption is an act of God’s free grace, whereby the believer is
received into the number, and has a right to all the privileges
of the sons of God, including the reception of the Holy Spirit.
The full and final realization of adoption awaits the bodily
resurrection unto glory.
Jn. 1:12–13. 12But as many as received him, to them gave he power
to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the
will of man, but of God.
Rom. 8:14–16. 14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are
the sons of God. 15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage
again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we
cry, Abba, Father. 16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit,
that we are the children of God.
Rom. 8:22–23. 22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and
travaileth in pain together until now. 23And not only they, but ourselves
also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan
within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our
body.
Gal. 4:4–7. 4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent
forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5To redeem
them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of
sons.6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his
Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7Wherefore thou art no
more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through
Christ.
Eph. 1:3–6. 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in
Christ: 4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation
of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in
love: 5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus
Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6To the
praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in
the beloved.
1 Jn. 3:1–3. 1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed
upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world
knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2Beloved, now are we the
sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know
that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him
as he is. 3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself,
even as he is pure.
See also: Rom. 8:17–23; Phil. 3:20–21; 1 Jn. 3:1–3.[/QUOTE]


And again;

 

http://www.founders.org/library/boyce1/ch36.html

Here is JL Dagg

 

Hi TND, I have absolutely no problem with this: No one has been adopted, but those born anew and sealed with the Holy Spirit have been predestined to adoption. Yeshua1 and Iconoclast are claiming adoption refers to being born anew. This is absolutely mistaken. The Calvinists are desperately trying to turn predestined to adoption at Christ's second coming into our initial salvation. Given Romans 8:23, it is a farce, but nonetheless posted over and over.