Featured Speaking in Tongues ... Does YOUR Church Allow it?

There are a lot of people who used to attend various "full gospel" churches who now attend Baptist churches. As the independent charismatic churches became more and more intrusive (shepherding movement) and unstable (lots of problems with elders and preachers behaving badly), and as Baptist Churches became more comfortable with praying for the sick, contemporary music, and choruses the charismatics who were once Baptist have begun to come home. In some cases I think the draw to charismatic churches was not a draw to speaking in tongues as much as it was an interest in some of the aforementioned things that Baptist used to be afraid to touch. Speaking in tongues was just part of the package.

For example about 30 years ago a lady who went to my parents SBC church was dying of cancer. She was reading James 5:14-15 and foolishly took it literally. So she called the preacher and asked him if he would anoint her with oil, lay hands on her and pray for her healing. He agreed and called the deacons and invited them to accompany him and join in laying hands on her and praying for her. Some deacons went and some didn't. Those who didn't stirred up the congregation and got him fired for being a closet Pentecostal. As is the Texas Baptist tradition a big church split followed.

I know several people who used to be Pentecostal or charismatic who now attend Baptist churches.

 

With reference to what I wrote in my post concerning why God used "tongues" (i.e., "foreign" [At least to most {if not all} of the "120"] languages/dialects to proclaim the Gospel message to those who were in attendance at the Pentecost event mentioned in Acts 2: I in no wise intended to preclude people of other language/dialect groups other than those whose home area might have been in some other area here on this planet.

There may have been (and probably were) folks from other places than those in Acts 2:5 ff -- in fact, the latter part of Acts 2:5 does indicate that this was the situation at that particular time (".... of every nation under heaven." [KJV rendering]).

What I was trying to point out was the fact that those 120 "....were all filled with the Holy Ghost (i.e., the Holy Spirit), and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." -- Acts 2:4 (KJV rendering)

IOW, the "tongues" (specific human languages/dialects in use at that particular time) were definitely NOT merely some kind of incomprehensible gibberish worked up by persons under the influence of something other than God.

Rather, what these people (the 120) were speaking were specific languages/dialects that were immediately comprehended by their intended audience(s).

Moreover they were human languages/dialects that their speakers most likely have very little (if any) prior knowledge of these languages' grammar, syntax, sentence structure, or figures of speech that would have been used by such human languages/dialects at the time of the Pentecost event recorded in Acts 2.

This was, in fact, a very specific miracle from God for a very specific time and purpose that has (and most likely) never will be replicated again in this current day and age.

It is my firm belief that the kind of thing (a "sign" gift of the HS) that Acts 2 mentions most likely died out towards the beginning of the last decade of the first century A.D. (c. A.D. 90).

We absolutely have no further need of this specific HS "sign" gift in this day and age because NOW we have everything God wanted to tell us within the pages of the 66 books of the Word of God.

To advocate any other concept than this is, IMHO, to infer that God somehow failed to let the people He created in on what He wants us today to know concerning the most vital message of His perfect Word conveys for any body to truly wants to know: The eternal life-giving power of the Blood of Jesus Christ that was manifested by the only-begotten Son of God's death, burial, and resurrection.

 

See Acts 11:44_48
And 19:6

 

And I Corinthians.

 

Paul is rebuking them for speaking, praying, and singing things they do not know what they are saying. He says he will do these things not just in his spirit but also his mind. We are NEVER to speak mindless things. This thing of having some speaking or praying gift that is mindless (they do not know what they are saying) is not of God and those who claim it are deceived and in sin.

I perceive that you are trying to convince the unlearned and weak in faith that this modern day godless Corinthian error is of God and those who do this have some special spiritual connection that others do not and I am uncertain why this is allowed to continue. There is NO special prayer language, no special song language, and no special unknown language from God. The true gift was a real human language that the speaker understood. This all comes from the deceiver not from God and those who do it are puffed up and deceived, and I believe that those who try and promote it as from God will stand some sort of judgment.

 

Thank God for these words:

Psa 95:2
2 Let us come before his presence with thanksgiving,
and make a joyful noise unto him with psalms.

Eph 5:19
19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Cuz some of us can only make noise outloud, and can only make melody in our heart.

 

We hold that the Holy spriit might bestow that gift to someone, NOT evidence of ANY Baptism in Holy Ghost, NOt to be used in public assembly, within church, ONLY in private, between them and the Lord, but I see it as not being at all for today!

 

First off love is not a gift. It is a choice. I agree that Paul had the gift of tongues but it was a real human language. The whole book of Corinthians is a rebuke.
There is simply no such thing as a prayer language from God. Those who claim such are deceiving and being deceived. Also if the modern day false tongues movement was not a pride issue it would never be brought up. It has no purpose at all except to promote false hope. It does not get prayers answered any faster or more often. It does not give new revelation as we have all that is going to be given in scripture. All that tongues of today does is puff up so it is not of God and no my church does not teach or support the false tongues of today.

 

I agree with you that the signs and wonders and revealtory gifts were intended for the Apostolic Age itself, as God worked thru His Apsotles to confirm the message of jesus as Saviour/Messiah to both the Jews/Gentiles, but would local church autonomy though require a SBC could be "gfull Gospel" if they so choose?

 

There is no such thing as a full goepel. One either gives the gospel or they do not. The claim of such is just another attempt of satan to confuse the church and the world about truth as well as make puffed up claims (pride) which are not true.

 

I agree that there is but One real Gospel, but isn't the truth that a baptist church can teach and practice that error of tongues and prophesy IF they so choose? As under local autonomy of each church?

 

I am not sure what your question has to do with this discussion. What does this have to do with the claim of a full gospel church?

 

a Baptist local church can decide to go full on Charasmatic, due to localautonomy, correct?

 

Most of us know about false "tongues", some of us even know about the Satanic movement behind the scenes, and how the Great Whore is steering Evangelicals back to Momma, through the 'Charismatic Renewal' that began in '67.
But what about the actual gift of tongues?
Do you consider a bilingual prophet (bible teacher) to have this gift?
Do you believe that people, even to this day, can understand a Gospel Witness, who doesn't speak their language , through that gift?

 

Believe that the Lord can still grant the gift to a missionary to hear/understand/speak a foreign tongue to him, but will be exceptioanal cases!

NOT normitive for today!