Featured Victims of Soteriological Dishonesty

Thanks for the warning:thumbsup:

 

RevMitchell, I have to wonder if this lady lives in my town. Sure sounds like it!

Your response was right on!

I'm wondering myself if they are teaching this "stealth takeover" stuff at the Calvinistic seminaries? Anybody know? All I know is that business meeting in the closest SBC church to me is basically just a time for the elder board (selected by the pastor) to tell the church what is going to happen in the next year. Or was the last one I attended. Found a better SBC church. Worth a farther drive.

 

So lets move the ball forward just for conversations sake....what do you think will happen now Mitchell that you have enlightened this women that they have a Calvinist skunk in the woodshed?

 

You're joking, right? After all, noncalvinists never ever ever ever lie in a million quadrillion years.

*rolls eyes*

 

What would be the difference if he was an Arminian (for lack of a better term) candidating at a dyed-in-the-wool Calvinist church?

None. He'd still be a liar.

 

You identify a tragic failing in the Baptist community. Most are totally ignorant of not only the Bible but any doctrine derived from Scripture. They may have attended SS and worship services all their lives but they are still ignorant, the one broad exception is apparently "the pre-trib rapture".

I blame much of that ignorance on the pastors who preach 15 minute Rotary Sermons. Preachers should be preaching expository sermons in my opinion. Albert Mohler has a book out pushing this truth. Then the SS literature out of Nashville is generally worthless. I used the Scripture in the quarterly for years but then dispensed with it altogether. Back in the 70's the SS Board came out with literature for Advanced Bible Study. The only thing advanced about it is they attempted to point out supposed discrepancy in Scripture.

 

Brother, You have hit the nail squarely on its flat head.

You are to be thanked. I believe that if people understand the Bible and doctrine they will be more able to handle "life's little lessons/problems".

 

I don't know? Are you ever dishonest?

I am sure this happens, but anecdotally I would be willing to bet that "stealth" non-cal takeovers of predominantly Cal churches is a MUCH more rare event.

 

the pastor needs to be honest and upfront on his theology, bit the questions I have are:

Can't a Pastor who holds to reformed sotierology only pastor a local SBC church, as hunch is many would hold to tht in alocal baptist church!

And aren't there 'closet arminians/non cals" who get pastorates also in baptist circles?

 

and from what I'm reading, that's exactly what it is.
but, it happens.
somebody who held to 'no-hell' actually became a deacon in a PB church I know of.
tried to undermine the church doctrine, pastor caught it, and the guy was excluded from the church.
too bad, the guy was well-liked in the church, respected, and was an excellent song leader.
but the signs were there, and having come from a Bible Baptist church who were kinda really strict on their selections, made me wonder how in tarnation did this guy successfully 'run the gauntlet' ?
except maybe, there was no gauntlet ?

 

Powerful strange, specially is a PB Church.

 

See my signature for my take on the Calvinist version of Romans 10:9-10

 

It happened in a General Conference Baptist church I had attended from 2001-2008 here in the Twin Cities.

Exactly what took place in my church. We had an open Q&A meeting where the congregation asked questions and the answers were either evasive or over time were proven to be lies.

My question was this: "Does God elect people for salvation completely by Himself or does man have any responsibility at all?" And I got an evasive answer.

All of these things happened. Also, he was asked at the Q&A meeting if he would ever drop "Baptist" from the church name. The answer was no. Six months later the name was changed and "Baptist" was dropped. Will we drop the Wednesday night prayer meetings? Answer: no. Six months later there were small groups and no corporate prayer meetings on Wednesday nights. The choir was discontinued. This is a pastor that preached from the pulpit (actually that was removed) that if people don't tithe they should sell their house and buy another, smaller house so they could tithe, and then immediately gave himself an exemption because he had prior financial commitments to other ministries. He fired the longtime visitation minister and brought in the assistant pastor's father-in-law to take the position.

 

How about this then?

If a pastor was upfront and honest about holding to reformed theology, can he then be voted in as the pastor if agreed upon by the local church membership?

Is there a difference to you between a Pastor being reformed in sotierology mainly, not entire Reformed theology?

And aren't there 'closet arminians/non cals" within Baptist churches, who bring out that after pastoring also though?