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Why should we take action if man has zero responsibility in salvation? If God sovereignly does everything, what action do we need to take?

 

When Jesus spoke about living water, He was speaking of the Holy Spirit. See John 7:37-39. He was speaking of the Holy Spirit, for the Spirit had not been given to believers yet.

There isn't one shred of evidence that He was advocating, in either context, a prayer to be justified. That happens through faith, by itself

You're attempting to justify your preconceptions by taking scriptures out of context

 

While you're right about the Holy Spirit being the "Living Water," you're absolutely wrong about Jesus not acknowledging prayer as a means of acquiring salvation. Any words spoken to God are a prayer, and seeking God, as the tax collector on the street corner did, is nothing less than a prayer of salvation.

In other words, this ...

... precisely describes what you are doing.

 

Obey God!!!!

 

Is that to say God is in the habit of issuing useless commands?

 

I never thought that He gave useless commands. I hope that you do not. I made the comment in response to the following post!

Adam and Eve started all the trouble because they did not obey God so I would say I gave "In The Light" and other interested parties good advice. Don't you?

 

My apologies, OR. I didn't make myself clear. Should have quoted ITL also, in order to narrow the focus of my comment. In light of (no pun intended) ITL's comments, I wondered if the "obey God!" comment meant that God issued "useless" commands, given that the view of hyper-C's here is that the elect will be saved, even if against their will. Sorry for the confusion.

Yup. Sure would. :thumbsup:

 

Calvinsts and DoGs admit that preaching the gospel is illogical and nonsensical in their system, and so must resort to the "we preach the gospel because God commands us to". This is the only reason they have for preaching.

It's pitiful. I mean, if you KNOW your doctrine is illogical and nonsensical and hold to it anyway, how are you going to reason with folks like this?

 

That very phrase implies disobedience is an option. There is no room for obedience in determinism.

 

What Calvinist or DoG person on this Forum states that preaching the Gospel is "illogical and nonsensical"?????

I agree Winman. Your understanding of the Doctrines of grace is pitiful, particularly since you ramble about them endlessly!

 

Not being a determinist I would not know! But I do believe Scripture teaches that the Saints, the "true believers", should obey God.

 

I have said on a number of occasions that I believe that God will bring His elect to Salvation in Jesus Christ. To believe otherwise would be nonsensical.

I also believe that the use of the term "Irresistible Grace" is foolish because it gives the impression that man is saved contrary to his will. I believe that term was used because the 5 points of Calvinism were in response to the 5 points of Arminianism, but it is nevertheless a foolish phrase.

The unsaved person is in rebellion against God, consciously or not. Therefore, I believe that God changes the will of every person he saves. He does this in regeneration. I have always liked the way John Dagg speaks of regeneration:

Dagg notes [Manual of Theology, pages 277ff]:

 

You are a determinist.

You don't admit it to yourself or others perhaps, but you are a determinist by any objective standard and consulting any normally agreed upon definition.

 

IJ: The terms Irresistible Grace and Limited Atonement are not helpful. They lead to misunderstanding. English-speaking Calvinists for the better part of 400 years have not used those terms. You can look high and low and not find them in any Reformed Confession.

The Particular Baptists of the 17th century called themselves that and not Limited Baptists,for instance!

Most Calvinists have,instead of saying L.A. opted for --particular redemption or definite atonement. And instead of I.G. --Effectual Calling.

 

Not sure how that either addresses or refutes what I said.