Featured doesn't the fall of Adam show that free will by itself cannot provide salvation?

Supposing someone does not sin in their lives. Maybe someone born in a comatose state, and never even becomes conscience. Would that merit their being saved? I don't believe so.

I believe that they would need grace and Christ's provision just as much as you and I do. Don't you?

 

Matthew 12:7
If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent.

Many can easily condemn the innocent because they do not know what mercy really is. God given emotions are not evil they were given for a reason such as this.

 

Jesus could not have sinned for the simple reason that God decreed before creation that Jesus would be the SINLESS, PERFECT Lamb of God.

God's decrees are 100% certain.

 

This has nothing to do with Calvinism, R.C. Sproul is absolutely a Calvinist, yet he believes Jesus could have sinned. That doesn't prove anything, I am just showing this is not an Arminian versus Calvinist debate.

This debate is whether Jesus truly came in the flesh and was completely human. If so, then he could have sinned. I believe Jesus actually implied he could sin and I showed the scripture to back this up. It also seems nonsensical to tempt Jesus if he could not sin. What kind of test is that?

All I can say is what the scriptures say, and they clearly say Jacob PREVAILED. This is a very simple and straightforwad story, very easy to understand.

Yes, I believe Jacob did understand he prevailed, and he demanded that God bless him before he would agree to let God go. And that is exactly what God did.

It said Jacob had power WITH God and had prevailed. Prevailed means he won, he overcame. You can't ignore the word because you don't like it.

I believe the lesson is faith and to persist in prayer. Jesus told a similar story of a judge who feared no one, not even God. This woman had to persist to finally get her way with this judge. I believe this is what is being shown, Jacob was not going to give up until he got a blessing from God. This is a lesson to us to persist with God in prayer.

Luk 18:1 And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;
2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.
6 And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.
7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Many here have a false view of God. To many here God is just this gigantic supreme tyrant. He is made of stone and does whatever he wants with no regard to anyone.

This is not what scripture shows. Scripture shows God can be appealed to. If we continue to pray and pray, God will listen to our prayers, and oftentimes grant our requests if they are not sinful. Like a loving parent, God wants to give good things to his children when they ask. God is not made of stone, he is loving and patient. He is not interested in his glory only as many here falsely teach. He loves his children and is concerned with their needs.

And this is the story of Jacob, he wrestled with God. He would not give up, he demanded that God bless him, and he got his request.

 

I believe what the scriptures say. The scriptures say God appeared as a man and wrestled with Jacob, and that Jacob prevailed.

I believe the word of God. It is you that does not believe what the scriptures plainly say. A child could understand this simple story.

 

Jesus implied he COULD sin.

Jhn 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

Jesus said, "and if I should say, I KNOW HIM NOT, I shall be a liar like unto you"

Are you saying it was impossible for Jesus to say "I know him not"?? He actually said these very words in this verse.

And the word "if" denotes possibility. Why would Jesus even HINT that he might sin if it was absolutely impossible?

And again, why would the Spirit drive him into the wilderness to be tempted if he could not sin? What would be the point? That would be a useless and futile exercise.

Jesus became a man because he had to defeat the devil where Adam failed. He had to become a man capable of failing to defeat Satan. That is the whole purpose of becoming flesh.

 

See what Yeshua1 says? How does this compare with scripture?

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Do the scriptures say Jesus took on flesh and blood "like" us as Yeshua1 says? Or does it say he took part of THE SAME flesh and blood?

Does it say Jesus took on the nature of Adam before the fall as some teach, or does it say Jesus took on the nature of the "seed of Abraham" who were all born after the "fall"?

Does it say Jesus was made like us in some things, or in ALL THINGS?

Decide for yourself who is telling you the truth and who is not.

 

Jesus said that IF he said (speaking of the Father), "I know him not", then he would be a liar like the men he was speaking to.

Why would Jesus even say such a thing if he was not able to lie? If it was impossible for Jesus to lie, why didn't he say, "I cannot deny my Father, for it is impossible for me to lie"?

bool of Look? What is that?

The scriptures do imply that names can be blotted out of the book of life.

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

This verse absolutely implies that Jesus will blot out the names of those who do not overcome, and that he will not confess their name before his Father and before his angels.

I have no idea what this has to do with whether Jesus was able to sin or not.