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28 They said therefore unto him, What must we do, that we may work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Jn 6

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2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers;
3 remembering without ceasing your work of faith and labor of love and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, before our God and Father; 1 Thess 1

To which end we also pray always for you, that our God may count you worthy of your calling, and fulfil every desire of goodness and every work of faith, with power; 2 Thess 1:11

21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honor, sanctified, meet for the master`s use, prepared unto every good work.
22 after righteousness, faith, love, pace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 2 Tim 2

 

He just a troubled brother with an axe to grind! :BangHead:... The axe is laid to the root of his tree and cut down and cast into the... Well you know the rest!

 

It takes ten of these jokers to gang up on me, and they can't make a single point. You NEVER see them refute a single point I make, NEVER. Go back an tell me what point they made, or how they refuted me, you won't see a single thing.

But they all slap each other on the back like a pack of good ol' boys. Nobody is fooled, these guys have got NOTHING.

The reason I joke with these fellas is because they are a joke.

 

And you better watch out, a man reaps what he sows. You keep on implying that everybody but you is a false convert. Someday you are going to stand in front of God, and all your Reformed books won't help you then.

You better spend a little more time worrying about yourself instead of always judging others. You are bound for a hard fall.

 

Uhhhhh...is this a no no to post?

 

What? What about his posts? Isn't implying that people are false converts questioning their salvation? He does this constantly.

Why are only some people called out for this violation while others can break this rule day after day?

He said I deny the Lordship of Christ. Show me where I have EVER said such a thing. It is an outright lie, yet he and others are permitted to do this over and over again. Iconoclast constantly implies others are not Christians.

Seems to me that only the non-Cals get infractions around here. There is absolutely a double standard going on.

 

I'm not calling anyone out. I just asked a question. The guilty flee when no one is persuing....

If John, you, KYR, EWF, myself, &c. openly question someone's conversion, we need banned pronto...

 

No, it's not right Willis. The Calvinists gang up on folks and imply others are false believers and the moderators never say a word. I sarcastically asked Evangelist if he might be a false convert, as he sees false converts everywhere, and I get an infraction.

I have seen Calvinists call non-Cals "Satan" and all sorts of vile names. They get away with it, because most of the Mods are Calvinists themselves. Some of them are just as vile.

No, there is a real double standard here at BB and tons of hypocrisy.

 

You are always calling others false converts. Who are you to question other men before God?

When Jesus warned not to call a man a fool, he was warning not to call others false converts. A fool was a non-believer.

Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

You need to find out what Jesus meant here. Calling someone a fool was to call them a lost person.

It is not your job to judge other men, that is God's job. You need to quit reading and listening to others who do this as well.

The Bible warns that you will be judged by the same standard you judge others. You better think on that one.

I am telling you this for your own good. Maybe you will listen.

 

You stated unequivocally that Winman (and I quote):

Here's a little clue about Soteriology you may not understand Evan.....
NO MAN, NO PERSON, NO INDIVIDUAL who DENIES the "LORDSHIP of Jesus Christ" is saved....

No one.

If you say (and you did) that Winman "Denies the Lordship of Jesus Christ", you ARE in fact calling him an infidel.

Maybe you didn't mean to. I don't think you actually DID mean to, I think you are referencing what you might call "Lordship Salvation"...but "Lorship Salvation" and "Lordship of Jesus Christ" are RADICALLY different terms with different meanings:

One may indeed mean "Cheap Grace" (which is what I think you meant)
The other is a denial of Christ's DEITY...

Denotatively, taken at face value, you accused Winman of denying the DEITY of Jesus Christ. That is calling him an infidel. You DID question his salvation, whether that was your intent or not.

I don't think it was your intent But you obviously failed to distinguish between the two. If you can regularly make such a tragic blunder....than consider yourself un-qualified to debate issues of Soteriology with your brethren...because you accused Winman of denying Christ's Deity. No man who denies Christ's deity is saved.

Winman didn't "lie" Evan...he just understands the relevant doctrines of Soteriology better than you, and he comprehends that what you said (at face value) is an accusation that he is a false convert or not saved. You didn't mean that of course......but you haven't the ken to express yourself differently either. Let it be a lesson to you.

 

Gang up on you? I commonly have four to five Calvinists (including you) attacking me. Not that I can't handle it, I can handle it easily, AND DO.

Calvinsts don't argue debate points. One will say I am a Pelagian, then three others will come along and say, "Great post!"

You guys cannot win in a real debate because the scriptures easily refute Calvinism. So you guys just gang up and call somebody a Pelagian, or say they deny Christ's Lordship as you did, or say that I deny hell.

Where oh where did I ever deny hell? Would you like to produce that post where I denied hell?

You guys don't have any real arguments, so you just make stuff up as you go along.

And it takes five of you to lose a debate. :laugh:

 

You are not listening, Jesus warned about calling others unbelievers or lost persons. You do not know their heart, only God does.

An evangelist is supposed to preach the gospel, not go around pointing fingers at everyone.

Those OT prophets were told exactly what to say by God, they didn't just take it upon themselves to accuse everyone of being false believers as you do.

 

Very shrewdly and underhandedly. You've got to give him credit for that much.

He does it with remarkable stealth. He's like that cartoon cat that measured the length of the bull-dog's rope and taunts him to the point he drew a chalk line.

He stands JUST on the right side of it most of the time.

But here's the remarkable thing: He isn't being merely cheap or dishonest. He is expressing what he truly BELIEVES. Unlike others, he isn't trying to score cheap debate points when he questions others' salvation.....he's simply stating what he truly believes.

He GENUINELY is on the fence about whether you are in fact a Christian or not.

If you forced him to answer the question....he'd tell you the truth too. He'd tell you that you don't exemplify any of the attributes he believes to be those of a Christian and that he has no evidence of your faith....if you forced him.

Icon is a lot of things..........but honest is one of them. He truly doubts your salvation, and he straddles the fence very carefully about how he expresses that on this board.

If you were to force him to answer you whether he believes you are saved or not, his answer would probably be: "No, I don't think so."
He is honest; I'll give him credit for that.

 

Oh, I agree 100%. He doesn't fool me and never has.

You are correct he is sincere.

Icon doesn't bother me, because he not only dishes it out, but he can take it as well.

But most of the Cals here are a bunch of hypocrites. They constantly imply you are lost, or a heretic, but if you hint that they are in the wrong they go running to the Mods. You get an infraction or they shut the thread down quick. They can't stand to lose, which is common.

It's the double standard that irks me. And there is absolutely a double standard here at BB.