Featured The Great blessing of the biblical teaching of Election

This may all be true, but I hope not. I want us to have a clearer understanding of each other's views, and maybe we can make some progress. One can hope...

 

The basic reason that many of us refuse to accept this is the truth is our human pride, as we keep wanting to somehow be able to show just why God was able to chose us to get saved... "I accepted Jesus, I made the right choice, I am not that bad a sinner, I was raised in a Christian family" etc!

 

I thought you use to be a non-cal and had all the arguments against calvinism? Don't you already have an understanding of both views? I have never accepted the Calvinist position, but I understand their views, I just don't agree with the position. I see the flaws.

 

Basic? Ah, No. Has nothing to do with pride, nothing to do with being a not so bad sinner. We don't accept it as truth because we see ALL the hundreds of passages pleading with people to choose God. Total Depravity makes no sense in light of the Scripture.

 

So says the great apostle Iconoclast..........................it is written by Icon..........thus it must be divine truth........

 

True....

I would like to think I have...

That's unfortunate...:smilewinkgrin:

No you don't. You think you do, but you're not even in the ballpark of what calvinism is and all it entails...

Shame...:laugh:

There are no flaws. People who oppose calvinism are Don Quixote's...

 

Ah yes, another apostle in our midst. Absolutely no flaws....divine truth!!

 

It's childish posts such as these that do not further the discussion. Grow up!!


Look, you repeat the same things over and over and over, and we keep telling you you have no idea about our position, and yet you keep saying you do.

I was in your place once. I hated calvinism/DoG, and called it a "doctrine of devils" more than once on here. I just knew I knew it. But when God showed me all that it entails, how it snaps together like links, I saw it for its true beauty.

I am not an apostle, nor am I trying to be one. But your childish remarks do you zero favors...

 

I repeat the flaws, you refuse to see them, or dismiss them, for whatever reason only be known to you. I know your position very well because I can see all around, once you jump into it, your sight becomes narrow and you can only see Calvinism.

I have the same scriptures you do. I have the same Holy Spirit you do, but God has not shown me Calvinism is unflawed, in fact, just the opposite, so until He does, I guess you are stuck with seeing me as a child. :wavey: But hey? You should feel quite confident at Christ's judgment seat, since you have perfect doctrine in Calvinism, there should be only gold, silver and precious stones for you :thumbs:

 

Alright Brother Steaver....neither of us will get anywhere using the demeanor BOTH of us have used on here. Soooo, let us start afresh....


Hello Steaver. My name is Willis Fletcher, Jr., but people on here know me as "convicted1". It appears you and I have differing views in regards to election. Now, what are you views considering...


--Election?
--The elect?
--The fall of Adam?
--Of Adam's posterity?


Brother, please, let's be civil, and give me your views on these subjects, and we'll start over, deal? :saint:

 

I am a Baptist calvinist, so would tend to see that we need to quote and use just the scriptures to argue these points, not just the Confessions!

 

You know Steve, everyone in this country has the right to believe what they want, to interpret the scripture as they see fit and to worship as they believe (long as it doesn't hurt another person). This is so no matter how rediculous you think it is.

Both you and Icon have castigated me for going into bars to bring the word to sinners, you both have criticized me and others (PB 's) for their views.....from my prospective, how dare you. I'm sure both of you who live in the NorthEast have enough Catholics and PCUSA and United Methodists and Lutherans and Orthodox Catholics to bring the Word to......but you are both at each others throats.

See you both turn me off to religion....and I'm fairly certain you turn off many who view you in here and other places.

So knock it off...you both behave like Pharisees ....Christ came for sinners.....focus in on that and that alone.

http://www.google.com/#q=cry+out+to+jesus

 

WILLIS!?! Where have you been all these months.? Has Steve not expressed his views & and made them abundently clear to you by now.....so why are you rehashing?

But for my own edification, are you now a total "Calvinist " and not a "Hard Shell"? I really need to know....so if you'd be so kind ....

 

And if you are , what does that say for your eschatology stance? Like are you now a full blown Covenant Theology practitioner?

 

He has never encounted a bar he didn't like --but every church meets with his distain. He has a thousand excuses. Going beyond 15-20 minutes from his place is such a chore. He needs to humble himself and get with an assembly of believers and stick with them despite his quibbles. Nearly five years of lame excuses is too much. Trust me, there are believing congregations that the Lord has for him --the Primitive Baptists aren't the be-all and end-all.

 

As I stated, I want to start afresh...like it's our first encounter. Maybe we can get a clearer undefstanding?

Labels are just bulls' eyes...but I have zero problem being called a Calvinist. I can't...won't agree with time salvation...