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I don't believe God has "back-up plans." But, it is possible for God to "ordain" (as in stand aside and let happen) Adam's sin rather than cause Adam's sin.

You are starting with a philosophical assumption and doing great violence to the text of scripture to try and prove your point. Scripture will never be your toady.

You have no earthly idea what you are talking about.

Adam was in a state of purity and he was able to be in the very presence of God--until the Fall. Since Christ comes to restore our relationship with God by living the perfect life we can't live, dying the death for our sins that we deserve to die, and being raised to newness of life, it is obvious something was lost at the Fall. You're ignoring simple biblical theology.

The text of scripture will never serve your purposes or your wrong (and perhaps blasphemous) assertions.

I'm beginning to think you are a universalist.

In Adam (which all humanity is) we are dead sinners "living unto ourselves" since the Fall. In Christ (which is NOT all of humanity), however, we are alive, pardoned rebels living to and for God.

What you're arguing for and how you're arguing will, at some point, necessitate saying that all humanity is in union with Christ because Adam was made in union with Christ. So, if you are to be consistent with you own ____ology (because what you're describing here certainly isn't any type of theology) you will have to say that all humanity is in union with Christ because Adam was created in union with Christs and, as such, all are saved. Of course, this is absolutely untenable by any reading of the Bible.

The Archangel

 

Now I'm thinking your also into some type of gnosticism.

There is no such "indication."

You've never proven that with your comments.

I'm not misrepresenting you:

You clearly stated (and, again, wrongly so) that Adam and the world in his loins were made in Christ which you have said is "in union with Christ."

So, you are, in fact, arguing that everyone has been chosen in Christ just as Adam was. Perhaps you can't see what you've been arguing...but it's there.

The Archangel

 

In your understanding, did God force/cause both satan and Adam to sin against Him, for the greater good that would come out from that?

 

savedbymercy - Why must everyone answer you point by point? Why can't you answer our questions? We're willing to discuss things with you, but you keep moving the goalposts and requesting we go line by line with you, but you won't even answer our simple one-line questions.

 

You really need to look up the definition of "rehearse"....

 

Wow. That was Christ-like.

 

Adam wasn't created before the foundation of the world.

Christ was foreordained. Because Christ was foreordained, He was NOT a "back-up plan."

 

Your posts are almost incoherent. learn something before you continue to embarass yourself here. The only response you should have made was....thank you AA for taking the time to correct me:thumbsup::wavey: Your denial of instruction is almost as bad as DHK.

 

I can't understand why this thread has not been closed after the first 2 posts but has been allowed continue with sbm continually posting blasphemy!