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the question is really about a believer's changed relationship to sin.

You do not have a good handle on this although you are trying to be slick using the terminology of the Lordship guys .
I caught your slick move DHK......but it does not help you here...lol

of course all Christians struggle and are commanded to mortify sin .....that is not the issue at all.

 

I don't see scripture calling for radical surrender to Christ as a prerequisite to salvation. I see "repent", I see "believe", I see "saved by grace through faith", I see submission and surrender as an ongoing process of Christian maturity, not things we must do to be saved.

DHK says it well:

 

yes, I have read MacArthur and I disagree with him, just as much as I disagree with those he is responding to. - Both are wrong. The reasons they are wrong is what I spelled out for you.

If you can't defend your position, you shouldn't be debating the issue. Obviously, MacArthur, Washer or Reisinger are not on the forum.

 

The rich young ruler was told to sell all that he had, give it to the poor, and follow Christ.

That's pretty radical, don't you think?

 

Did the blood of Jesus cleanse me fully in the sight of the fatherm or was it merely all past sins, and only those that I repent of, and unless i walk in perfect obedience , then his shed blood refuses to cleanse me any more?

I should always try to stay in obedience, to follow Jesus, but have failed to always do that since salvation...

Are you claiming to have been able to do that?

 

If you don't know that sanctification is one aspect of [/]salvation, then you're already in way over your head

 

Progressive sanctification is the outworking of the righteous and holy nature created by God in the regenerative act upon the spirit of man. Through spiritual union we partake of the moral nature of God in new birth. It is progressive by nature which means it is NEVER complete in this life. It various from one Christian to another in various degrees according to the measure of grace and faith given. Hence, we can find one extreme such as Abraham right next to the other extreme in Lot.

While self-death to all sin is inherent by INTENT in the act of conversion, but in the actual life that intent has no consistency or complete exhaustive reality and never will in this life.

 

Supposing someone goes forward and says the "magic prayer", then falls under the preaching of Lordship Salvation and does the required good works, are they saved?

 

Are you so naive to think that merely posting proof texts is defending anything? You would make an excellent convert to Mormonism or Jehovah's Witnesses if that is what think defending a position entails.

 

Supposing someone goes forward and says the "magic prayer", then shows fruit that he is submitting and surrendering. Are they saved?

 

So if works inevitable outcome of faith, then why mention it? It's going to happen, right?

 

Aren't you a self professed apologist? You should be better able to defend your belief on a topic, especially one that you started. Seriously, you should try using a few of your references, explaining the context, and finish it off with how it defends your position. It makes it appear has though your entire position is based on what someone else said.

 

Get with it gigabyte71. You're supposed to read books about it, not require someone else to articulate their position. :wavey:

 

I asked you 4 questions....answer them please.....give specific answers to those 4 questions....feel free to use as much scripture as you would like...

 

You don't get it do you? They support their false theories by merely prooftexting JUST AS YOU ARE DOING! Proof texting is not a defense but a pretense unless you can support the proof text by context and that you have not done.