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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by steaver, Jan 13, 2015.

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  1. Iconoclast

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    Already answered and this is a Rabbit Trail ! And you are guilty of slander and misrepresentation !
     
    #222 savedbymercy, Jan 22, 2015
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    Please don't lie. If you answered the question with a direct yes or no, you would be able to point me to the post. Can you do that for me. All I need is yes or no.

    Is God a God of Love to the non-elect? Yes or no.
     
    #223 DHK, Jan 22, 2015
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    Already answered and continual slander and misrepresentation !
     
    #224 savedbymercy, Jan 22, 2015
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    Is God a God of Love to the non-elect? Yes or no.
     
    #225 DHK, Jan 22, 2015
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    Already answere !
     
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    Where is the answer?
    Is God a God of Love to the non-elect? Yes or no.
     
    #227 DHK, Jan 22, 2015
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    Already answered, look for it, I am not your flunky ! You you can't keep track that is your problem !
     
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    Will someone please close this ridiculous thread?
     
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    It was a very good thread. Very revealing, exposing the nitty gritty flaws of Calvinism.
     
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    It exposed nothing but your flawed understanding of Calvinism!
     
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    Steaver, you have a mountain of obstacles that you have generated.

    Go to sermonaudio.com regularly and tune in "Calvinistic" preachers. They are nothing like your misrepresentations.
     
    #232 Rippon, Jan 23, 2015
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    There are two main sticking points with Arminians & Pelagians vs Calvinists. They arise out of a thinking that is too simplistic. They throw around the term, "free will", but they don't understand that there are distinctions to made when you use such a term. Are they talking about Libertarian free will? They usually are, and they are incorrect.

    1) Man does not have libertarian free will. Man cannot chose any option, and he does not even wish to chose any/every option. He is limited in his options, and he is severely/completely limited by his sin nature. He is bound by his sinful nature to do that which ONLY a sinful nature can and would do: sin. Just as a fish does what fishes do, a sinner does what sinners do. Man cannot, and does not even desire to do, what is pleasing to God.

    2) Man is NOT morally neutral. It's not that he can swing either way. He is not in a neural position. He is in rebellion against God. This is where Arminian thought falls apart completely.

    God could offer salvation to sinful mankind all day and night - forever, and no one would accept. Why? Because a sinner is looking for God like a criminal is looking for a cop. Post Fall, man is hiding from God (from the light) he is NOT seeking God. God is seeking him.
     
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    :thumbsup::wavey::thumbs::applause:
     
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    Then that's your answer. God is a God of love to the Elect only. The non-Elect are just out of luck. God never loved them in the first place.
    That last part of verse 8 is a general statement about God. It is not a conditional statement about God's feelings toward only a certain group. Yet, according to you, God is love only to the Elect.

    Man, I wish the Biblical authors would've been moved by God to write in less confusing words. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    And yet not one post from a Calvinist in 24 pages which points to a part in the OP sermon which is being dishonest. Not one..........
     
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    Of course they are not like my OP sermon. I have heard many Calvinist preachers and they sound just like Arminian preachers. This is the problem, they don't preach the FULL truth of TULIP to the masses, oh they will preach it to their like minded believers.

    And again, more accusations of "misrepresentation" without any pointed argument towards any part of the OP sermon which is dishonest and why. Which part do you disagree with and why?
     
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    Misunderstanding #1, Freewill as used in a biblical debate has it's restrictions found within the parameters which God has set forth that freewill to be exercised therein. God in His Sovereignty, gives freewill to move about and make decisions within parameters which He has set forth. We find the very first example of this with Adam and Eve when placed in the garden of Eden and given the freewill choice to believe God or believe Satan.

    Correct, man must be given light and enablement from the Holy Spirit before he can choose between good and evil, between God and this world. Until man is enabled, enlightened, man will only seek his own selfish ways. Thanks be to God for seeking out man and offering His Son as an atonement for all who will believe!!!!!

    Correct

    Correct, see above.....
     
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    I've always heard (from others) that, seemingly as a function of Irresistible Grace, whoever God enables to choose between right and wrong will inevitably choose right and follow after God. I am loosely working with the assumption that this premise is false, as it would create a bit of a quandary. If this is the case, and God enable Adam and Eve to choose right and wrong, how did they choose wrong?

    If man is only capable of choosing wrong until God enables him, then he is capable of choosing right and wrong, is it still possible for man to choose wrong after being enabled by God, under this theological system?
     
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    Most of the Calvinist I have spoken with will say God regenerated them first which at the same time zapped them into being a believer, so by default they seemingly chose Christ. Second, many will say Adam and Eve had a freewill choice, but nobody afterwards, it was lost forever. Of course this is inference, which is needed to support their belief system.

    I believe the Calvinist, although reluctantly, has to accept freewill to some sort of degree. Otherwise, no matter what you do, God made you do it. Say, choosing a jelly donut over a glazed, choosing to give to charity or ignore other's needs, etc.
     
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