Preparing a truthful Calvinist sermon

[Iconoclast]

My take on Calvinism.......




your take...or your rebellion against the revealed word of God:thumbsup:
not only do you violate the 2nd commandment, but you would accuse the biblical God of being unjust by twisting the biblical teaching.
If you are going to sin you go for it all:thumbsup::wavey:

 

[DHK]

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How does God love men...outside of Christ.

The bible says the love of God is found In Christ.

Stop contradicting yourself. Can't you be consistent??
You just finished saying:

Christ said: "Come unto me all ye.."
Whosoever believes on me shall have everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation...
I am the resurrection and the life, whosoever believes in me...
I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father but by me.
I am the door...
He that takes of the water that I give shall never thirst again.
I am the light of the world, he that follows after me..
--He was speaking to the world. He was speaking to whoever would follow him. To whoever would believe in him.

YOUR RESPONSE WAS:
I agree with this. Nothing I believe makes it otherwise...it does not have to.
You are not consistent!
Jesus invited all the world, even little children too young to make any decision.

He extended his invitation to the rich young ruler who asked him:
"Good master what must I do to have eternal life"
The result: "He went away sorrowful for he had many riches."
He heard the gospel. He heard the very words of Jesus. He spoke to him on a one to one basis. And yet he refused.

 

[Iconoclast]

Stop contradicting yourself. Can't you be consistent??
You just finished saying:


YOUR RESPONSE WAS:
I agree with this. Nothing I believe makes it otherwise...it does not have to.
You are not consistent!
Jesus invited all the world, even little children too young to make any decision.

I am consist of the free offer of the gospel goes to all men without exception:thumbs:

 

[DHK]

I am consist of the free offer of the gospel goes to all men without exception:thumbs:

Then you don't believe in the doctrine of reprobation, Calvin's doctrine. You are not consistent. SBM is consistent there. They are blind, and cannot see. That is what the doctrine teaches. They are reprobated from all eternity. They don't have the free offer of the gospel. You are not a Calvinist.

 

[Iconoclast]

Then you don't believe in the doctrine of reprobation, Calvin's doctrine. You are not consistent. SBM is consistent there. They are blind, and cannot see. That is what the doctrine teaches. They are reprobated from all eternity. They don't have the free offer of the gospel. You are not a Calvinist.

so now you're saying I'm an Arminian. ...:love2::thumbsup:

 

[DHK]

so now you're saying I'm an Arminian. ...:love2::thumbsup:

I am saying you are not consistent. You keep contradicting yourself.
When I first summed up what the doctrine of reprobation taught you flipped your lid!!

Here was your first reaction when I quoted snippets from the doctrine of reprobation:

Another wicked caricature of God and His truth, as if He was unjust in your eyes...this is horrible....your failure to grasp the fall and it's noetic effects on mankind leads to such a horrible idea.

Give a biblical example of this foolish and evil statement. Show one responsible Cal who would post such a thing??? Show where God does not allow any who believe in truth to enter heaven.....you are off the deep end.

Your posting and attack against God needs to be repented of. Show where any Calvinist teacher said anything like this...not just these evil accusations you invent in your mind.

But now that I have quoted it from a reputable source you have changed your mind. Why the change, Icon? You didn't believe me in the first place. Instead you went to your usual MO of name-calling and derogatory language. Typical.
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[convicted1]

I am saying you are not consistent. You keep contradicting yourself.
When I first summed up what the doctrine of reprobation taught you flipped your lid!!

Here was your first reaction when I quoted snippets from the doctrine of reprobation:

But now that I have quoted it from a reputable source you have changed your mind. Why the change, Icon? You didn't believe me in the first place. Instead you went to your usual MO of name-calling and derogatory language. Typical.
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Brother DHK,

Brother Iconoclast is extremely consistent. The only inconsistentcy is your understanding of predestination and election. I do not mean this in a snide manner, so please don't take it that way, okay? If you truly understood them, you'd accept them lickity-split...

 

[DHK]

Brother DHK,

Brother Iconoclast is extremely consistent. The only inconsistentcy is your understanding of predestination and election. I do not mean this in a snide manner, so please don't take it that way, okay? If you truly understood them, you'd accept them lickity-split...

Analyze what I have been studying and then show me where I am wrong.

One of the great premises of Calvinism is a denial of free will.
There is no way that the non-elect can believe or receive any of the "whosoever" promises of the Bible because there is no way he will ever be regenerated. God has foreordained some to be regenerated; others not. Correct?

Even if he (Icon) believes the offer of salvation goes out, it is impossible for them to be saved because they have not been regenerated nor can they be.
Therefore it is as if God is playing a cruel joke in offering them salvation in the first place. Why give the invitation that Icon says God does, if they cannot be saved? They are unregenerated, the non-elect, and cannot be saved no matter what.
God is not a God of love here. He is cruel and monstrous to offer salvation to those who cannot believe or receive because they are not and will never be regenerated. They are doomed before the foundation of the world to the Lake of Fire for all eternity. Why even offer salvation?

And yet the command remains:
Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature (not just the elect).

 

[convicted1]

The fall of Adam affected all mankind....all died in Adam...

When Adam died, and consequently all mankind, free will died....

When God came looking, Adam fled the scene of the crime and hid...

People are still hiding to this very day...

 

[DHK]

The fall of Adam affected all mankind....all died in Adam...

When Adam died, and consequently all mankind, free will died....

When God came looking, Adam fled the scene of the crime and hid...

People are still hiding to this very day...

"In the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
Adam ate. Adam hid.
The God came seeking Adam. "Adam where art thou?"
But Adam was dead. And yet this dead man, out of his own free will, answered God. How is that? How does a dead man answer God, and carry on a conversation with Him?

 

[convicted1]

"In the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
Adam ate. Adam hid.
The God came seeking Adam. "Adam where art thou?"
But Adam was dead. And yet this dead man, out of his own free will, answered God. How is that? How does a dead man answer God, and carry on a conversation with Him?

The same way Lazarus did....

 

[DHK]

The same way Lazarus did....

Apples and oranges.
Adam was still physically alive and did not physically die until 930 years later.
Again, how did a physically alive, but dead person carry on a conversation with God. Please elaborate.

 

[convicted1]

Apples and oranges.
Adam was still physically alive and did not physically die until 930 years later.
Again, how did a physically alive, but dead person carry on a conversation with God. Please elaborate.

Look, when we witness/preach/teach to lost people, it falls upon deafened/dead ears. Unless God works to sensitize them, then they are just mere words. Once God has quickened them then the gospel makes them realize their need of Him...

 

[Revmitchell]

Look, when we witness/preach/teach to lost people, it falls upon deafened/dead ears. Unless God works to sensitize them, then they are just mere words. Once God has quickened them then the gospel makes them realize their need of Him...

Actually I would appreciate it if you would directly answer the question.

 

[convicted1]

My take on Calvinism.......

Misrepresentation of Calvinism....

 

[convicted1]

Actually I would appreciate it if you would directly answer the question.

I did directly answer it. When God speaks, they hear. When we speak, noooo...

God spoke to Satan and he's spiritually dead...

 

[DHK]

I did directly answer it. When God speaks, they hear. When we speak, noooo...

God spoke to Satan and he's spiritually dead...

Calvinism states "no free will."
If that is true: There is no free will to receive Christ, then the corollary is also true.
There is no free will to reject Christ.
There is no free will to sin. There is no free will to do good, any good--providing nourishment for your family (as Jesus used for an example).

But there is will.
Paul said: "For to will is present with me..." (Romans 7:18). He did have "will."

 

[RLBosley]

Calvinism states "no free will."
If that is true: There is no free will to receive Christ, then the corollary is also true.
There is no free will to reject Christ.
There is no free will to sin. There is no free will to do good, any good--providing nourishment for your family (as Jesus used for an example).

But there is will.
Paul said: "For to will is present with me..." (Romans 7:18). He did have "will."

For the umpteenth time. Calvinism does not say that man has no will. Calvinism says that man's will is bound and enslaved, not nonexistent.

Carry on.

 

[convicted1]

Calvinism states "no free will."
If that is true: There is no free will to receive will, then the corollary is also true.
There is no free will to reject Christ.
There is no free will to sin. There is no free will to do good, any good--providing nourishment for your family (as Jesus used for an example).

But there is will.
Paul said: "For to will is present with me..." (Romans 7:18). He did have "will."

Self will....yes...

Free will...no...

If we have free will, we could walk away after salvation and say, "I quit Lord", but we can't...

Notice this passage in Matthew 11...

"Come unto me, all ye labouring and burdened ones, and I will give you rest, take up my yoke upon you, and learn from me, because I am meek and humble in heart, and ye shall find rest to your souls, for my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light."(vss 28-30)

Notice two mentionings of a yoke here. Why? The yoke keeps us in line like it did/does oxen, horses, mules, &c. When get outta line one direction or another, He puts us back in line via His yoke.

Now, explain to me how we had the free will to reject Him but not the free will to walk away after salvation? The only time we're free is in Christ, and Paul used the phrase Christos Doulous which means slave for Christ.

I do not advocate loss of salvation, but if people retain their free will after salvation, then they're free to walk away, too...

 

[convicted1]

For the umpteenth time. Calvinism does not say that man has no will. Calvinism says that man's will is bound and enslaved, not nonexistent.

Carry on.