Featured With thanks to SavedByMercy for defending Calvinsm

To a point she is, but often she ignores a few of the very pointed tough questions as seen in my "Preparing a truthful Calvinist sermon" thread where I ask her twice now if one can believe on Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour yet reject TULIP and still be saved. No response......

 

By the way, I am a man, and a man of God !

 

Ummmmm, it's against BB rules to have a username in a thread title...

 

My apologies. For quite awhile now posters have been referring to you as "she" and you never corrected them so I assumed you were. He or she has nothing to do with debate, so I hope they were not trying to demean you in any way.

 

Yes, but as I said not completely, and for good reason. You see, Calvinism, when it is thought through thoroughly with investigative questioning, has no choice but to conclude the extremes to which it wants to deny.

SBM admits that if one embraces TULIP then one must conclude TULIP to be the very Gospel which saves. But this causes another conclusion, which even SBM does not want to admit publically, which is those who do not embrace TULIP cannot be considered saved.

Calvinism, when honestly and objectively worked out to it's inevitable conclusions, self implodes upon itself. It gets cornered when it claims TULIP to be the very Gospel. But it has no other choice but to declare it the Gospel, for if it is not, then what is it? And if it is the Gospel, what of those who reject it? Quite the conundrum for the Calvinist.

 

Since this post from me, SBM has publically declared that those who do not believe TULIP is The Gospel indeed cannot be considered saved. But he is not alone. Two others on here have posted as much, without rebuke from any other Calvinist...ArchAngel did disagree with Icon but then waffled...but no other Calvinist stepped up to give rebuke.

First we have this exchange quote for quote...

Answer....

And then we have this exchange.....

Answer...

And then this....

Answer...

 

There is nothing commendable about claiming only cals are saved. It is heresy, it is evil, and it should not be tolerated nor commended.

 

Absolutely agree!! And that is why TULIP is so wrong, if a TULIP believer be absolutely honest, as SBM has been, the belief leads to this inevitable conclusion.

This was the question in my thread "If not the Gospel, then what is it?". Which was closed for some reason.

You will hear the same testimony from all Calvinist which is "God opened my eyes" to TULIP. Well, if it is not the Gospel, then what value added does it have to the Christian walk?

If truth be known, I would wager 99% of Calvinist believe TULIP to be the Gospel in their hearts, they just don't want to publically say so. Even Spurgeon believed as much.

 

I did not EVER state you or any non-cal were unbelievers, so don't put words in my mouth Steaver....

 

Care to explain your answer in this exchange....

 

Jesus said His sheep will hear His voice. They will follow it, too. They know His voice and wherever He goes, they go. Not He goes and they can choose to go or stay. You quoted those verses and I :thumbsup: it.


I believe the DoG is a deeper theological system that explains God in fuller detail of how He deals with His chosen. But I would never call non-cals unbelievers. I was one the first 6+ years of my walk with God.

 

No Willis. A debate board does not work that way. You cannot slice and dice out of context and then say you answered the quote.

The full quote is given, the issue is why doesn't all Christians embrace TULIP, the answer given was because they all are not Jesus' sheep. At which you gave a :thumbsup:

Now either you can humble yourself and say you were wrong and the sheep answer to the question is wrong, or you can double down and keep on trying to slice and dice. What will you do?

ps. I know Icon is your hero and you know it was him who gave the answer of them not being sheep to the question as to why they all do not embrace TULIP. This places Icon in agreement with SBM. Do you want to stick with them, or do you want to take a stand and rebuke them?

 

Okay Steaver, I will go over your sermon once more....

No one would ever state this. However, those who are saved are not saved by chance. In other words, God works out the time, place, and gospel message to bring salvation to fruition. So, in reality, if they're saved then, they were not there by chance, but devine decree.

True statement.

Calvinism or TULIP is a system that best displays how God deals with all creation in regards to His sovereignity, imo.

Thanks! I agree with this. It sounds familiar.

This is a stoopid statement. The gospel is God's power in saving sinners.

Again, TULIP or Calvinism best explains how God works, imo...

I don't disagree with this in the least.

I don't congratulate people, I praise God for saving them. If they refuse to believe, they deserve hell. God hates, but if we hate, we're considered a murderer. God's a jealous God, but if we're jealous, it's as cruel as the grave. God revenges, but if we do, we sin. God's righteous in all His ways, we're not...

 

I would not say he SBM is standing up for anything but his warped view of the Doctrines of Grace and the Salvation of those who disagree with him!