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Israel is certainly not the top dog, but will be used by God as He sees fit. At the same time, a theory called the replacement theory is not Scriptural, that the church replaces Israel. They are both at work in God's plan. As far as amil goes, that is probably limited to the West Virginia border.

 

Good question Greektim, And yes we agree (I believe) In my view spiritual resurrection goes beyond bodily resurrection in that the image and likeness of God is completely restored/repaired in reborn humanity. It begins here on earth and it is called sanctification.

2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

"changed" is an interesting word in koine (which you probably already know) it is metamorhoo from whence we get metamorphosis.


HankD

 

Here is the problem in some of these discussions.
The American Dream is right and his position can certainly be defended through Scriptures:

But even if he presented to you an entire treatise on it you would reject it. Your mind is made up. You are not teachable in this area. So there is no reason in even discussing the subject.

The same is true with John 5:28,29. Others have offered a different interpretation. It doesn't have to mean "one general resurrection." You say it does. Conversation is over. There is no room for debate. You won't even listen to another side.

The title of the thread is: Now I Understand! Do you?
The answer to the thread is:
NO you don't understand, and you won't listen to others and even try to understand.

 

OR,

Relative to resurrection and these verses; For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Cor 15:21,22

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

What does that mean every man in his own order?

Does that seam to imply not all at once?

 

Moses who died in Adam, exactly when and by what means would you say that he became one of the just, that will be resurrected? Consider:

But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before (the) faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that (the) faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Gal 3:22-25

When and by what means was Moses made just?

Was Moses a true believer because he was obedient in doing what God called him to do or was he a believer because God called him? What about, Jeremiah was he a true believer of his obedience or because God knew he was going to call him even before he was in the womb of his mother.

When was Jeremiah made just?

Could anyone actually have been made just prior to the moment spoken of in Gal 3?

Your thoughts.

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Just? Rom 5:19

I say all this to ask, Would you say that there is a chance that, say, Ahab could be made just?

 

I would say the verse that says Moses was the most humble man that ever lived is a good hint.

 

I just read through that read.
Do you mean remarks like this one:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2198111&postcount=100

 

YLT

1 Cor 15:22
for even as in Adam all die,
so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,

1 Cor 15:23
and each in his proper order,
a first-fruit Christ, ----- (To date the only one, to die no more, incorruptible. )
afterwards those who are the Christ's, in his presence,

(Is that all, who in Adam, have died? also in the Christ all shall be made alive,) (I don't think so)

1 Cor 15:24
then -- the end, --- (Cometh isn't there. The end of what? When? )
when he may deliver up the reign to God, even the Father, when he may have made useless all rule, and all authority and power -- (When it comes time to deliver the kingdom to the Father. ) (When will that be? )

1 Cor 15:25
for it behoveth him to reign till he may have put all the enemies under his feet

1 Cor 15:26
the last enemy is done away -- death; (the death, I believe the article is there)
(Is this when the rest of the dead are made alive, who had died in Adam? ) (Why must he rule til then? )

(What will be done with the one who had the power of death, at this time, the devil? )

1 Cor 15:27,28 (Because)
for all things He did put under his feet, and, when one may say that all things have been subjected, it is evident that He is excepted who did subject the all things to him, and when the all things may be subjected to him, then the Son also himself shall be subject to Him, who did subject to him the all things, that God may be the all in all.

Now compare the scriptures above with these from Eph. 1:3-10

Blessed is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who did bless us in every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, (the firstfruits)according as He did choose us in him before the foundation of the world, for our being holy and unblemished before Him, in love, having foreordained us to the adoption of sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, (afterwards those who are the Christ's, in his presence,) to the praise of the glory of His grace, in which He did make us accepted in the beloved, in whom we have the redemption through his blood, the remission of the trespasses, according to the riches of His grace, in which He did abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, having made known to us the secret of His will, according to His good pleasure, that He purposed in Himself, (God the Father) in regard to the dispensation of the fulness of the times, to bring into one the whole in the Christ, both the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth -- in him; (< himself, God the Father compare to 1 Cor 15:27,28)

Rev 20:7
And when the thousand years may be finished, the Adversary shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:10
and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night -- to the ages of the ages.
Rev 20:14
and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire -- this is the second death;

 

It is a conclusion which results from understanding that the Lord's Return establishes a physical Kingdom which would be impossible if the Church is raptured/glorified at the end of the Tribulation.

Paul is clear that when the Church is caught up it includes the entire Church. The Lord is clear that all unbelieving will be destroyed at His Return.

If the Rapture occurs at the end of the Tribulation, there remains only glorified Saints, which leaves no physical people to populate the Kingdom.

A denial of the Millennial Kingdom is the argument offered to deny a future Tribulation and Kingdom, but I have yet to see a reasonable presentation which reconciles the Prophecy of the Gospels and other Books of the New Testament with a fulfilled completion of that which is prophesied.

I do not recognize this as a valid question as it is stated as it suggests two different salvation efforts on the part of God.

The fact is that the Church Age is simply the stage of Progressive Fulfillment of God's Redemptive Plan.

When the Tribulation ends, just as the Lord taught, no-one that is not born again will enter into that Kingdom. It is clear that many teachings found in the Gospels which have as a focus the Kingdom to be established demonstrate the destruction of the unbelieving during and shortly after the Tribulation. Those who are saved during the Tribulation and the Kingdom will be saved like as we, being first born again and brought into union with God. There is no distinction between those of the Church in this Age and those in the Tribulation and Millennial Kingdom, all are born again believers.

The belief that the "Church" will be a separate group from those of Israel and the redeemed of all ages is not a doctrine I embrace, for it is clear that in the Eternal State there will be one people of God, the eternally redeemed:


John 10:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.



God bless.

 

The very reason for the following being when, "a man", not the spirit of a man, is truly born again in order to enter the kingdom of God.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1 Cor 15:50,51

But each in his own order.

When do you believe the son of David inherited the kingdom of God?

Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: 2 Tim 2:8 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more. Acts 20:25
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Col 1:18

 

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. Romans 11:25-27

After the Body of Christ is removed from this earth and taken to heaven, God will once again deal with Israel ("Jacob") directly in order to usher in the Millennial Reign of Jesus the Messiah over the earth.
Pretty simple.