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I was raised pre-trib. Of course that eschatology is based on scripture. However Idealism(Amill), and post-trib(pre-mill) have scripture to support their belief as well. I have been explored Amill.. They have some very valid ideas. I acknowledge they could be right. Especially with the view of the millennium. I think the pre-trib and Post-trib crowds have a better interpretation of the "sea" beast, 7 heads, man of lawlessness, etc..... At this point in my walk I would best fit with the post trib crowd. That being said, I could argue a pretty good case for any of the 3 I mentioned. I dont see this a topic to get "fired up" about. It is fun to debate, but it shouldn't cause a rift. Who knows....maybe the partial preterists are right

*as far as Darby goes. He is credited with the Dispensational belief. I won't contest that. Doesn't mean that the early church 4,5,6 centuries and so on didn't lose their way on the "last days". I think most of us would agree that they lost their way on believers baptism.

 

Correct. That is what I meant. Thanks for clarifying.

 

The title of your thread is misleading.

The only thing that pre-trib-dispensationalism and Covenant/historic premillennialism have in common is an earthly millennial reign. Even there the difference is substantial since Covenant premillennialism teaches Jesus Christ reigns with HIS Church during this period whereas pre-trib-dispensationalism teaches that Israel will be dominant during this period!

Both Covenant/historic premillennialism and amillennialism teach the Biblical view of the Church whereas pre-trib-dispensationalism teaches the blasphemous doctrine of the Church as a "parenthesis" in GOD's program for Israel.

 

Educate your self, read what your own theologians teach:

Following are remarks by three prominent Classic Dispensationalists, Chafer, Ryrie, and Ironside. Lewis Sperry Chafer founded and served as the first president of Dallas Theological Seminary, and was an influential proponent of Christian Dispensationalism in the early 20th century. Charles C. Ryrie is a Christian writer and theologian who served as professor of systematic theology and dean of doctoral studies at Dallas Theological Seminary He is also the author of the Ryrie Study Bible.

Then there are the remarks of Harry A. Ironside former pastor of the Moody Memorial Church in Chicago. The quote is from the preface to his book, The Great Parenthesis.

I must state as forcefully as I can that I find the doctrine of the Church, for which Jesus Christ died, as a parenthesis or an intercalation, in God’s program for Israel to be not only repugnant. but blasphemous, and I reject it completely. Now many pre-trib-"snatching away" folks will be disturbed but the truth is that the concept of the Church as a "parenthesis" in Gods program is the direct result of the pre-trib doctrine of John Nelson Darby. Whether dispensationalists want to acknowledge it or not the doctrine of a "parenthesis" Church came out of the womb of John Nelson Darby's pre-trib-dispensational doctrine!

 

Well in references to the OP I am Pre-mill but you have not made a compelling case for the pre-trib aspect. But so far I have been mostly ignored in pointing out that while pre-mill has support of the early church it takes a lot more reading into to show a pre-trib view.

 

I am amillennial but many of the Puritans and Church fathers of the reformation were premillennial, John Gill, Isaac Watts, Matthew Henry. The most important distinction between pre-trib-dispensationalism and premillennialism is the doctrine of the Church.

The pre-trib doctrine demands that the Church be a "parenthesis", an intercalation in GOD's program for Israel. Premillennialism makes no such demands about the Church. Rather their view is the Biblical view and the same as both amillennial and postmillennial!

I can recommend several books that might be helpful to you at this time:

John P. Newport. The Lion and The Lamb 
The book is written by a Southern Baptist and former dispensationalist. Though he is premillennial I highly recommend it! The book includes much good information on the various interpretations of the Book of Revelation and is very easy to read.

Anthony A. Hoekema. The Bible and The Future This book is not a commentary on Revelation but a discussion of eschatology. It includes a comparison of the various millennial views. This is an excellent book for anyone interested in expanding his understanding of eschatology. Hoekema places much emphasis on the New Heavens and New Earth as the eternal home of the Redeemed!

Sam Storms. Kingdom Come This book is subtitled The Amillennial Alternative. It is not a commentary on Revelation but a discussion of eschatology. I bought it after recommendation by someone on this BB. Am about one third the way through and have learned some things I did not know before. It is not particularly easy to read, not from the standpoint of theological jargon, but he does not write as well as some. Nevertheless I believe you will find it very useful!

 

There goes that word again lol

But this is true...I would say that it is impossible to be Reformed and pre-trib.

 

I believe Dr. Bob is!

 

I would love to hear the explanation on that.

 

Kingdom Come has been on my wish list for a long time now. I have read the sample on my Kindle and thought it would be a good read but I can't afford it at the moment. Someday I will add it to my shelf.

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Have you taken a look at Kingdom Through Covenant by Gentry and Wellum?

 

Unless you can navigate your Kindle better than I can I would recommend the print version. I can handle fiction on Kindle but for serious reading where I want to go back I prefer the printed version.

 

I agree I would get it in hard copy but I wanted to motivations bit to see of it was worth the money and the only way I could do that was getting the sample on my kindle.

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