Originally Posted by Darrell C View Post
So when does the Rapture take place?
There are only two positions, there will be a Rapture, or there won't be.
If you cannot yourself suggest when it will take place, it shows you are out of place condemning another for taking a view that they, at least, consistently give a Scriptural Basis for.
So do you believe there will be a Rapture and when will it take place?
Ok now I'm on a computer so I can answer this better.
Yes I believe that will be a Rapture and I take a Pantrib View, God knows when it will happen and it will all Pan out in the end.
"When" it will happen has two issues involved, (1) the actual date (i.e., 6/6/16), and (2) it's placement in the Prophetic calendar.
I have never set the former, but the latter I take a dogmatic view which is the only view that harmonizes with all Prophecy that is yet to be fulfilled.
I think some views have less support then others, and I have the most trouble with the pre-trib view as it has a very American Centric feel to it.
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What does that have to do with examining Scripture and drawing conclusions?
On another board
This isn't another board, it is this one, lol. Focus on the discussion at hand instead of letting bias from past discussions influence this one. I'm not the ones you talked to before, and my views are not theirs. That is like saying your views must be identical to everybody else I have spoken with.
someone in the Pretrib camp said that the persecution of Christians is Nothing today. Which I find offensive given that we have our Christian Brothers and Sisters having their heads sawed off by ISIS and I had recently been to a Voice of the Martyrs Conference and listening to the stories of persecution from around the world is not Nothing. This person basically wanted to ignore that for the sake of making his argument that we will not experience any tribulation, even though the Bible is clear that we should expect persecution and tribulation.
Was the context one of contrast? Today's martyr rate will be small in comparison to the events and death in Revelation:
Revelation 6:8
King James Version (KJV)
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
Revelation 9:15
King James Version (KJV)
15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
Even if we view the first quote as meaning a specific region, rather than men in general, we see, at this point, the latter indicates a third of mankind dying.
Roughly several hundreds of millions of people.
If the first quote refers to men, the combined total refers to half the earth's population, which is nearly 4 billion people dying within the space of a few years.
God does not minimize the death of saints, nor should we, so if the context was one of trivializing those dying today, that is shameful, however...
...it has nothing to do with progressing in the discussion or our growth in understanding Biblical Prophecy.
Some stupid stuff comes out of people's mouths/minds sometimes. WEejust need to ignore that, at least to the extent that it stays in File 13.
No, one does not have to do a lot of reading into to present the Pre-Tribulation Rapture, it is actually a matter of including many passages and balancing them in order to see that it is not possible that the Church be Raptured in the middle or end of the Tribulation.
I have never seen it done and beleive me I read a bunch of books defending the Pre-trib view.
Which may be one of the problems. God can teach us better than men. We need to be in the Books of the Bible, not books about the Bible, which all carry the particular theology of the man/men.
To get to that point you have to start with the pre-trib framework and fill in Scripture according to that framework.
You are in error.
Some of us look at theological views and test them to the measure of Scripture. I am a Skeptic, plain and simple. I don't take anyone's word for anything.
And I'll pause there because you raise a good point in the next section.
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