The Context of the Parenthesis Church

[OldRegular]

Right...so you believe church to be only an after thought. So why wouldn't the Jews just matriculate into the Church? Are they special...do they have holy DNA?

Ask any Rapture Ready dispensationalist who GOD favors, Jew or Christian. You might be surprised how many will say Jew. And this in spite of the fact that Jesus Christ died for the true believers, the Saints, the Christian!

I have asked that question on this BB in the past and it is impossible to get an answer. Just as difficult as getting them to concede the pre-trib-Rapture Ready dispensationalist doctrine calls the Church a "parenthesis" in GOD's program for national Israel. Fortunately two brave souls, blessedwife138 and HankD told of their training or the "parenthesis Church" would still be in Limbo. blessedwife318 has been harassed ever since by DC!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Ask any Rapture Ready dispensationalist who GOD favors, Jew or Christian. You might be surprised how many will say Jew. And this in spite of the fact that Jesus Christ died for the true believers, the Saints, the Christian!

I have asked that question on this BB in the past and it is impossible to get an answer. Just as difficult as getting them to concede the pre-trib-
Rapture Ready Tdispensationalist doctrine calls the Church a "parenthesis" in GOD's program for national Israel. Fortunately two brave souls, blessedwife138 and HankD told of their training or the "parenthesis Church" would still be in Limbo. blessedwife318 has been harassed ever since by DC!

Yea well that's to be expected. Kinda like when both Amy and Convicted, there former, ah ....friends ....I will be nice--Synergists, came down on them like a ton of bricks for changing their views on salvation to a Monergistic view---suddenly.....

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

And Christ died for those given to him by the Father....not by race or any holy DNA. Those selected from before the foundations of time to be the sons and daughters of the most high. And may i add, none of them will ever be lost to Him....or left behind. :jesus:

 

[Iconoclast]

revmwc

those who believe God isn't omniscient enough to foreknow who would choose to accept Christ and who would choose to reject Christ and therefore predestine the ones He knew would make the choice for Christ to be adopted.

This is a total misunderstanding of the words and the doctrines taught by those words.....there are no such people.

God saves those who are dead , lost, and not seeking Him. He seeks and saves those given by the Father.

 

[DHK]

I know that claiming the GRRReAAt Seven Year Tribulation is payment for the redemption of the earth is utter nonsense, but that is usual with pre-trib-"snatching away"-of the-Church-dispensationalism.

Now if you could name who the recipient of the payment is, but you won't because you know it will be more nonsense!

Propitiation means satisfaction in a legal sense. Christ legally satisfied the demands of God with his shed blood that provision of salvation for all had been made.
God received the payment. God's demands were met.

And why do you think it's nonsense?

 

[revmwc]

Right...so you believe church to be only an after thought. So why wouldn't the Jews just matriculate into the Church? Are they special...do they have holy DNA?

No I don't, the church was in God's plan before man was ever created. God dealt with man in different phases. Starting with innocence all that Adam and Eve were to do was not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but they failed. But God has dealt with every stage by Grace through faith. He also had covenants with man such as the Abrahamic covenant where He promised Abraham the land as well as Abraham seed.

God's plan for man's salvation never changed.

 

[revmwc]

I know that claiming the GRRReAAt Seven Year Tribulation is payment for the redemption of the earth is utter nonsense, but that is usual with pre-trib-"snatching away"-of the-Church-dispensationalism.

Now if you could name who the recipient of the payment is, but you won't because you know it will be more nonsense!

Post 139 just answered it. God demanded payment for man's sin, Christ paid that price and became the Propitiation for sin.

God demands payment to restore the earth from its curse. That payment will be His wrath coming in the judgments upon the earth, just as Christ blood was the payment, Propitian that is satisfaction for sin.

 

[revmwc]

Ask any Rapture Ready dispensationalist who GOD favors, Jew or Christian. You might be surprised how many will say Jew. And this in spite of the fact that Jesus Christ died for the true believers, the Saints, the Christian!

I have asked that question on this BB in the past and it is impossible to get an answer. Just as difficult as getting them to concede the pre-trib-Rapture Ready dispensationalist doctrine calls the Church a "parenthesis" in GOD's program for national Israel. Fortunately two brave souls, blessedwife138 and HankD told of their training or the "parenthesis Church" would still be in Limbo. blessedwife318 has been harassed ever since by DC!

So do all Calvanist believe the same, answer no some don't hold to the addition the TULIP which Calvin didn't teach, yet the Tulips think that was his doctrine.

Not all dispensationalist believe that the Parenthesis you expose as the church is anything but an analogy of the peak to peak with a valley in middle analogy. Evidently OR believes it to be a doctrine that he continues to declare as a doctrine. First he said Darby developed the teaching then he said he didn't.

But in Post #36 "The Apostle Peter on the Second Coming of Our LORD"
OR stated "Peter's point is that the pre-trib-"snatching away" of the so-called "parenthesis" Church is fiction created by the mind of a convalescing John Nelson Darby; a false, pernicious doctrine which has seduced millions of people in this country, just as Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventism, and Christian Science have"

He said there Darby created the so called "parenthesis" yet now he says he didn't. He is the first one in almost all threads concerning pre-trib or amil to bring up the "Parenthesis Church" not one of the Pre-tribbers ever brought it up and most of had never heard of it. I had to look up the context and it was used as an analogy not taught as a doctrine. But OR continues to call it a doctrine with no proof offered how it was created and taught by Darby.

God favors all who believe on His Son. From Adam to the time His ministry began all had to believe in His coming. During His 3 1/2 year ministry they had to believe He was the Messiah. After His death resurrecion and ascension all must believe in Jesus as the Savior who has come.

Israel that is the Descendants of Abraham are His chosen nation. They were given the responsibility to evangelize the world and they failed when they rejected Christ. God gave custody of the Gospel to the church in this dispensation of Grace. In the Tribulation He returns custody to Israel with the 144,000 witnesses plus the 2 prophets.

God used the line of Seth prior to Israel as the ones who had custody of the Gospel, from Noah to Abraham the line of Shem was given the responsibility to spread the gospel. All failed to carry the gospel to the world. The church has done a good job but they still didn't reach all.

God has always favored those who receive Christ, He foreknew who would and He knows how many still will receive Him.

 

[blessedwife318]

Propitiation means satisfaction in a legal sense. Christ legally satisfied the demands of God with his shed blood that provision of salvation for all had been made.
God received the payment. God's demands were met.

And why do you think it's nonsense?

He is not asking about the cross. The claim was made that the earth itself STILL needs to be redeemed and that the tribulation is the price paid to redeem the earth. So far there has been no answer as to who needs to be paid or the fact that if that is true why would the earth itself have to pay the price. The idea that the earth must redeem itself is wrong in light of what Christ has done on the cross. It violates the very fact that It Is Finished.

 

[OldRegular]

And Christ died for those given to him by the Father....not by race or any holy DNA. Those selected from before the foundations of time to be the sons and daughters of the most high. And may i add, none of them will ever be lost to Him....or left behind. :jesus:

Well said! :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs: That is worth at least a four thumbs but you done used one!

 

[blessedwife318]

No I don't, the church was in God's plan before man was ever created.

And the truth comes out, the church was plan B or maybe even C.

Even though Rev. 13:8 says that the lamb was slain BEFORE the foundation of the World. The cross and the church were always in God's plan.

 

[revmwc]

He is not asking about the cross. The claim was made that the earth itself STILL needs to be redeemed and that the tribulation is the price paid to redeem the earth. So far there has been no answer as to who needs to be paid or the fact that if that is true why would the earth itself have to pay the price. The idea that the earth must redeem itself is wrong in light of what Christ has done on the cross. It violates the very fact that It Is Finished.

You missed it!
Post 139 and 147.

The answer is seen in the question who received the payment for the sins of mankind? We received the benefit of the payment but who required the payment?

 

[revmwc]

And the truth comes out, the church was plan B or maybe even C.

Even though Rev. 13:8 says that the lamb was slain BEFORE the foundation of the World. The cross and the church were always in God's plan.

They were always in God's plan everything concerning redemption God planned before the foundation of the world including The Cross. The Church, The Rapture, The Tribulation and the 1000 year reign.

 

[blessedwife318]

I think it's interesting that in the thread that has been revived from 2011, that no one in the dispensation camp denied the fact that Darby was the father of dispensationalism or the idea of a 'parenthesis' church as an out cropping of his idea. A little honesty about the history and position goes a long way.

 

[blessedwife318]

They were always in God's plan everything concerning redemption God planned before the foundation of the world including The Cross. The Church, The Rapture, The Tribulation and the 1000 year reign.

So you are now saying that there is no need for the earth to STILL be redeemed? That the tribulation is not a payment to redeem the earth?

 

[DHK]

He is not asking about the cross. The claim was made that the earth itself STILL needs to be redeemed and that the tribulation is the price paid to redeem the earth. So far there has been no answer as to who needs to be paid or the fact that if that is true why would the earth itself have to pay the price. The idea that the earth must redeem itself is wrong in light of what Christ has done on the cross. It violates the very fact that It Is Finished.

Well, I haven't followed everything. But we know that when Adam sinned all of creation was put under a curse. That is when thorns and thistles began to grow, and the second law of Thermodynamics came into operation in general.

Christ came to redeem us from the curse of the law. To those that trust Christ as Savior we are totally redeemed but the image of God is only partially restored.
We still wait for the redemption of our bodies. And not until Christ comes will our bodies be redeemed and, only then will we be able to say that we have been restored back into the image of God, or "the image of Christ."

After the Tribulation, a time of judgment, Christ will lift the curse from the earth. The Bible indicates that even the earth itself awaits for the coming of the Lord.

Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
--All the world, God's creation, groans and travails in pain, even up until this day.

Adam was the first man and brought disobedience.
Christ was the last man and brought righteousness.

Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Christ paid the penalty. When He comes to set up his kingdom he will restore it as it once was in the Garden of Eden. Most of the promises are in the OT.

 

[Thousand Hills]

Ask any Rapture Ready dispensationalist who GOD favors, Jew or Christian. You might be surprised how many will say Jew. And this in spite of the fact that Jesus Christ died for the true believers, the Saints, the Christian!

And Christ died for those given to him by the Father....not by race or any holy DNA. Those selected from before the foundations of time to be the sons and daughters of the most high. And may i add, none of them will ever be lost to Him....or left behind. :jesus:

I have a family member that actually spent good hard earned money to take a DNA test to see if they had jewish blood, folks are out there makin good money off the RR crowd for shure.

 

[OldRegular]

Propitiation means satisfaction in a legal sense. Christ legally satisfied the demands of God with his shed blood that provision of salvation for all had been made.
God received the payment. God's demands were met.

And why do you think it's nonsense?

It is nonsense to say that the so-called Great Seven Year Tribulation is payment for redemption of the earth.

 

[OldRegular]

Post 139 just answered it. God demanded payment for man's sin, Christ paid that price and became the Propitiation for sin.

God demands payment to restore the earth from its curse. That payment will be His wrath coming in the judgments upon the earth, just as Christ blood was the payment, Propitian that is satisfaction for sin.

So it is the earth that is punished by the Great Tribulation to make propitiation for the earth's sin. And just how did the earth sin?

 

[OldRegular]

He is not asking about the cross. The claim was made that the earth itself STILL needs to be redeemed and that the tribulation is the price paid to redeem the earth. So far there has been no answer as to who needs to be paid or the fact that if that is true why would the earth itself have to pay the price. The idea that the earth must redeem itself is wrong in light of what Christ has done on the cross. It violates the very fact that It Is Finished.

Very well said blessedwife318. You see how much nonsense these people will spout in an attempt to defend the indefensible!