Featured The Context of the Parenthesis Church

Ask any Rapture Ready dispensationalist who GOD favors, Jew or Christian. You might be surprised how many will say Jew. And this in spite of the fact that Jesus Christ died for the true believers, the Saints, the Christian!

I have asked that question on this BB in the past and it is impossible to get an answer. Just as difficult as getting them to concede the pre-trib-Rapture Ready dispensationalist doctrine calls the Church a "parenthesis" in GOD's program for national Israel. Fortunately two brave souls, blessedwife138 and HankD told of their training or the "parenthesis Church" would still be in Limbo. blessedwife318 has been harassed ever since by DC!

 

Yea well that's to be expected. Kinda like when both Amy and Convicted, there former, ah ....friends ....I will be nice--Synergists, came down on them like a ton of bricks for changing their views on salvation to a Monergistic view---suddenly.....

 

And Christ died for those given to him by the Father....not by race or any holy DNA. Those selected from before the foundations of time to be the sons and daughters of the most high. And may i add, none of them will ever be lost to Him....or left behind. :jesus:

 

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This is a total misunderstanding of the words and the doctrines taught by those words.....there are no such people.

God saves those who are dead , lost, and not seeking Him. He seeks and saves those given by the Father.

 

Propitiation means satisfaction in a legal sense. Christ legally satisfied the demands of God with his shed blood that provision of salvation for all had been made.
God received the payment. God's demands were met.

And why do you think it's nonsense?

 

He is not asking about the cross. The claim was made that the earth itself STILL needs to be redeemed and that the tribulation is the price paid to redeem the earth. So far there has been no answer as to who needs to be paid or the fact that if that is true why would the earth itself have to pay the price. The idea that the earth must redeem itself is wrong in light of what Christ has done on the cross. It violates the very fact that It Is Finished.

 

Well said! :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs: That is worth at least a four thumbs but you done used one!

 

And the truth comes out, the church was plan B or maybe even C.

Even though Rev. 13:8 says that the lamb was slain BEFORE the foundation of the World. The cross and the church were always in God's plan.

 

I think it's interesting that in the thread that has been revived from 2011, that no one in the dispensation camp denied the fact that Darby was the father of dispensationalism or the idea of a 'parenthesis' church as an out cropping of his idea. A little honesty about the history and position goes a long way.

 

So you are now saying that there is no need for the earth to STILL be redeemed? That the tribulation is not a payment to redeem the earth?

 

Well, I haven't followed everything. But we know that when Adam sinned all of creation was put under a curse. That is when thorns and thistles began to grow, and the second law of Thermodynamics came into operation in general.

Christ came to redeem us from the curse of the law. To those that trust Christ as Savior we are totally redeemed but the image of God is only partially restored.
We still wait for the redemption of our bodies. And not until Christ comes will our bodies be redeemed and, only then will we be able to say that we have been restored back into the image of God, or "the image of Christ."

After the Tribulation, a time of judgment, Christ will lift the curse from the earth. The Bible indicates that even the earth itself awaits for the coming of the Lord.

Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
--All the world, God's creation, groans and travails in pain, even up until this day.

Adam was the first man and brought disobedience.
Christ was the last man and brought righteousness.

Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Christ paid the penalty. When He comes to set up his kingdom he will restore it as it once was in the Garden of Eden. Most of the promises are in the OT.

 

I have a family member that actually spent good hard earned money to take a DNA test to see if they had jewish blood, folks are out there makin good money off the RR crowd for shure.

 

It is nonsense to say that the so-called Great Seven Year Tribulation is payment for redemption of the earth.

 

So it is the earth that is punished by the Great Tribulation to make propitiation for the earth's sin. And just how did the earth sin?

 

Very well said blessedwife318. You see how much nonsense these people will spout in an attempt to defend the indefensible!