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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by evangelist6589, May 22, 2015.

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  1. Don

    Don Well-Known Member
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    I think he may have been addressing John....
     
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    Putting anyone under that law is wrong. Paul made that clear. However, the use of the Ten Commandments is only to show people exactly what verses like Romans 3:10;23 means. It is not about holding anyone to the OT law. When you read Evans positions on things you need to add 12, subtract 42 and divide by 3 and you might get to the truth. He doesn't really know what he is doing or talking about.
     
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    I completely agree. I am trying to understand how Evan justifies otherwise through Scripture. His point was that scripture places Gentiles under the Mosaic law. (These were his words, not my interpretation of his words.)
     
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    He did not get that from WOTM or Ray Comfort. He needs some serious discipleship. He has not business out there preaching on his own.
     
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    Gentlemen--at this point in these threads, John typically terminates his involvement. I'll be surprised if you see further response from him.
     
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    I suspect you are right. We need a new rule. Don't post anything you consider not worth defending. Maybe he will surprise us...probably not.
     
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    This thread is a waste of my time. No matter what I say John C, Mitchell, and others won't be convinced. It's not like I need your support or encouragement. I am on a team of some 30 or so WOTM evangelists in the area and personally do evangelism regularly with like minded brothers. Have been through WOTM basic training twice, have many of their books, and listen to their podcast daily.

    So who gives a rat what you people think? I sure don't. Goodbye!
     
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    Defending scripture is a waste of time?
     
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    I think that he is saying Scripture is a waste of his time when compared to his ideas (perhaps to his books). If you think back he has not once defended his ideas with scripture. He will quote scripture but he cannot expound on that scripture and show that it supports his conclusions (probably because they are not "conclusions" - they are his starting point). Rev is right. At this point in his life he desperately needs discipling, but to him that's a "waste of time."

    In a way I felt bad asking him to defend his ideas with Scripture (it was obvious he could not), but I was hoping that at least that would point him to God's Word and discipleship. I started not to reply...but this is a debate forum where we should at least be able to honestly look at and test our beliefs. I hoped better of him...but have learned not to expect it.
     
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    You do because you started this thread, did you not?
     
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    Gar. Argh. I was really hoping that "defending himself" would be his answer, rather than defending what scripture says...but when you describe it like this, it's almost worse....
     
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    Again?????
     
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    There are millions that think as I do including Dr.Begg whom is many times more educated than you.
     
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    There are millions or more accurately billions who do not believe the Bible and many of them have more education then any of us do. But truth is not determined by a vote. Truth is truth regardless of how many or how few believe it.
     
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    Would you at least show me where in Acts 17 Paul uses the 10 commandments in his sermon to the Gentiles?
     
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    I don't doubt it....you're just the first one I've stumbled upon.

    Know that I am not denouncing the way you exegete Scripture because you simply refused to do so. You expected me to take your interpretation of Scripture as truth because you said so - NOT because of Scripture. If Dr. Begg places you on such a elevated platform of authority then I question his understanding....not his education.

    Prove me wrong. Don't get mad - this is the purpose of this forum. Show me in Acts 17 where Paul uses the Ten Commandments to convict his audience under the Mosaic Law. If you cannot, then simply change your understanding to match Scripture. In other words, put aside your pride. I've been shown wrong many times, and I appreciated the correction. You won't even consider the possibility that Gentiles were never "under the Law" because this is how you have understood WOTM. So give it a shot - expound on Acts 17 and prove you are right that this is a proof text as Paul convicted these people under the Ten Commandments.
     
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    I seriously doubt it. Of course look at how many Mormons there are, Muslims etc. By the way this statement is an informal fallacy known as the bandwagon fallacy.
     
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    This is what happens when we take people into the church and offer them programs, gimmicks, and superficial “doctrine.” These people latch on to and replace Scripture with whatever they are offered that resonates with them. All I suggested was that we really look at Scripture, but I think this threatened his ideas.
     
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    I am not against programs its just that the programs do not need to be the end goal.
     
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    I had harbored the hope that you would not use the word whom so wantonly. ;-)

    Who would do quite nicely in your sentence.
     
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