Charles Stanley

[evangelist6589]

Among the non Calvinist men that I appreciate he ranks up there. He has a rich understanding of the gospel and evangelism and why his church uses The Way of the Master in their evangelism philosophy. While I disagree with some of his views as he teaches a non Lordship view, among other differences I appreciate him because of his rich understanding of the gospel minus his differences with Lordship theology. But then again I do not understand why his church would use WOTM in their evangelism training.

Once I was hanging with some seeker types and listening to their fluff from a seeker type book. I recommended they read a Charles Stanley book on success instead of their worldly nonsense. Not sure if they took my challenge. If you appreciate Dr. stanley please post.

 

[blessedwife318]

He may be a great speaker but he is not qualified to be a pastor per 1 Tim. since he got divorced while pastoring. The fact that he went back on his word about this issue is also problematic.
Also he denies sola scriptural when he talks about hearing directly from God about his calling, ignoring what Scripture has plainly said about the issue.

"God said you keep doing what I called you to until I tell you to do something else," he says today. "I got that straight from the Lord. ... I was simply obeying God."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/17/us/andy-stanley/index.html

 

[Salty]

He may be a great speaker but he is not qualified to be a pastor per 1 Tim. since he got divorced while pastoring. The fact that he went back on his word about this issue is also problematic.
Also he denies sola scriptural when he talks about

Where does Scripture state that a divorce man can not be a pastor.

So what you are saying is that ANY single man, may not be a pastor - ie he cannot be a pastor until he gets married?

 

[blessedwife318]

Where does Scripture state that a divorce man can not be a pastor.

So what you are saying is that ANY single man, may not be a pastor - ie he cannot be a pastor until he gets married?

No I'm not saying that a man has to be married, but he cannot have been divorced post conversion, and especially not while in ministey if he wants to stay qualified for ministry.
"This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?) ; not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil."

Although given that he never remarried he still technically is the husband of one wife but he does not fit the other qualifications listed in 1 Tim.

 

[Thousand Hills]

"God said you keep doing what I called you to until I tell you to do something else," he says today. "I got that straight from the Lord. ... I was simply obeying God."

 

[blessedwife318]

To paraphrase Justin Peters
If you want to hear from God, read the Bible, if you want to hear from God audibly, read the Bible out loud.

 

[Thousand Hills]

To paraphrase Justin Peters
If you want to hear from God, read the Bible, if you want to hear from God audibly, read the Bible out loud.

Amen!!! :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

This picture was given to him by his church, never has made me comfortable since I first saw it in the CNN article you posted.

 

[blessedwife318]

Amen!!! :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

This picture was given to him by his church, never has made me comfortable since I first saw it in the CNN article you posted.

Agreed. Anyone that thinks they are getting special revelations from God is a problem. It is the antithesis of believing the Suffiency of Scripture, and that is a huge issue with me. We either believe the Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice or we have no legs to stand on when defending and defining our Faith.

 

[wpe3bql]

This is just my personal opinion, but I have heard people say that they would never be a member of a church whose pastor is single.

I asked one of these people why they'd felt this way, and all he said was that he's never found anything in the NT that leads him to believe that it's scriptural for a single man to pastor a church.

I felt like asking him to show me where the NT states that it's wrong for a single man to pastor a church, but having known this person to be very difficult in changing his mind about anything, I knew that in this case it'd just be a waste of time.

OTOH, I would like to read other's opinions on this matter.

To me, saying that a single man absolutely cannot ever hold some form of pastoral position in a church seems to be a rather arrogant position to take.

After all, Jesus Christ, the founder of the NT churches, wasn't married while He was here on earth, so why then is it almost considered by some people to be a sin for a single man to assume any sort of pastoral position in a church?

Then there's Timothy. In 1 Timothy 4:14 we read that he was ordained by an ordination council not to "neglect the spiritual gift you received ..... when the elders of the church laid hands on you."

There's even some question by some scholars as to the Apostle Paul's marital status. Some say that he was married, but, for some reason chose to leave his wife behind while doing the work of an apostle.

Personally I find that position quite strange since in I Corinthians 7 he seems quite adamant that a married man ought not to leave his wife for any extended period of time--of which most of his missionary trips were of rather extended periods of time.

At any rate, I would love to read what others believe about having a single person filling some kind of pastoral position in a church.

 

[blessedwife318]

This is just my personal opinion, but I have heard people say that they would never be a member of a church whose pastor is single.

I asked one of these people why they'd felt this way, and all he said was that he's never found anything in the NT that leads him to believe that it's scriptural for a single man to pastor a church.

I felt like asking him to show me where the NT states that it's wrong for a single man to pastor a church, but having known this person to be very difficult in changing his mind about anything, I knew that in this case it'd just be a waste of time.

OTOH, I would like to read other's opinions on this matter.

To me, saying that a single man absolutely cannot ever hold some form of pastoral position in a church seems to be a rather arrogant position to take.

After all, Jesus Christ, the founder of the NT churches, wasn't married while He was here on earth, so why then is it almost considered by some people to be a sin for a single man to assume any sort of pastoral position in a church?

Then there's Timothy. In 1 Timothy 4:14 we read that he was ordained by an ordination council not to "neglect the spiritual gift you received ..... when the elders of the church laid hands on you."

There's even some question by some scholars as to the Apostle Paul's marital status. Some say that he was married, but, for some reason chose to leave his wife behind while doing the work of an apostle.

Personally I find that position quite strange since in I Corinthians 7 he seems quite adamant that a married man ought not to leave his wife for any extended period of time--of which most of his missionary trips were of rather extended periods of time.

At any rate, I would love to read what others believe about having a single person filling some kind of pastoral position in a church.

This may be better if you start a new thread on this topic but I will say this I have no problem with a single guy being a pastor. I suspect that a lot of the reason there is resistance to the idea of a Single pastor within Protestant circles is because of Catholic Priest not marrying.

 

[Revmitchell]

Among the non Calvinist men that I appreciate he ranks up there. He has a rich understanding of the gospel and evangelism and why his church uses The Way of the Master in their evangelism philosophy. While I disagree with some of his views as he teaches a non Lordship view, among other differences I appreciate him because of his rich understanding of the gospel minus his differences with Lordship theology. But then again I do not understand why his church would use WOTM in their evangelism training.

Once I was hanging with some seeker types and listening to their fluff from a seeker type book. I recommended they read a Charles Stanley book on success instead of their worldly nonsense. Not sure if they took my challenge. If you appreciate Dr. stanley please post.

Stanley is a Millennial Exclusionist.

 

[evangelist6589]

Stanley is a Millennial Exclusionist.

And what are you?

 

[Revmitchell]

And what are you?

Prettrib premillennial but what does that have to do with it? Do you know what Millennial Exclusion is?


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[Van]

This thread seem about 3 topics, (1) If a person, post conversion divorces, is he disqualified permanently or for several years from engaging in ministry. I think the person should consider themselves disqualified for at least 3 years, and then be fully in repentance for their behaviors that caused their holy marriage to fail.

(2) Should a single person be allowed to pastor, including families. I think yes, as Paul seemed to advocate full dedication to the ministry, if able to control one's lusts. (Both single and married men have failed numerous times in this regard.)

(3) Do I appreciate Dr. Stanley. Nope

 

[evangelist6589]

Prettrib premillennial but what does that have to do with it? Do you know what Millennial Exclusion is?


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No I do not. Care to explain?

I looked it up. Hmm interesting. Perhaps I need to reread Eternal Security. I did not agree solely with the book in matters of Lordship Salvation, but I was unaware of this other topic.

 

[wpe3bql]

This may be better if you start a new thread on this topic but I will say this I have no problem with a single guy being a pastor. I suspect that a lot of the reason there is resistance to the idea of a Single pastor within Protestant circles is because of Catholic Priest not marrying.

I'll try to start a new thread on this---probably in the Baptist Theology and Bible Study forum.

 

[wpe3bql]

I'll try to start a new thread on this---probably in the Baptist Theology and Bible Study forum.

I tried to open up a new thread on this topic, but I kept getting an automatic message stating that a post like this is already posted--thus, I guess my ability to create a brand new thread seems to be an impossibility.

Oh well, I guess that all that I wanted to say about this subject has already been said.

 

[Darrell C]

Among the non Calvinist men that I appreciate he ranks up there. He has a rich understanding of the gospel and evangelism and why his church uses The Way of the Master in their evangelism philosophy. While I disagree with some of his views as he teaches a non Lordship view, among other differences I appreciate him because of his rich understanding of the gospel minus his differences with Lordship theology. But then again I do not understand why his church would use WOTM in their evangelism training.

Once I was hanging with some seeker types and listening to their fluff from a seeker type book. I recommended they read a Charles Stanley book on success instead of their worldly nonsense. Not sure if they took my challenge. If you appreciate Dr. stanley please post.

My view of Stanley has changed over the years, where once I considered his ministry somewhat soft. However, having had opportunity to hear him more often on the radio, I have come to understand that his ministry has a focus to a particular audience, and I can appreciate that. Having heard some of his older preaching on Conference Pulpit (on BBN), the fact is that Stanley was a hellfire and brimstone preacher when younger, and even now is very solid in his teachings. In fact, he is one of the few preachers I have heard that makes mention of the fact that the disciples were not Baptized with the Holy Ghost until Pentecost.

While I do not make a special effort to listen to him, nor read his books, again I can appreciate the ministry he has to a specific audience. He will appeal to people that other preachers may not.

The only negative issue I have heard is that he embraces Millennial Exclusion, but I have not seen any real evidence of that.


God bless.

 

[Revmitchell]

My view of Stanley has changed over the years, where once I considered his ministry somewhat soft. However, having had opportunity to hear him more often on the radio, I have come to understand that his ministry has a focus to a particular audience, and I can appreciate that. Having heard some of his older preaching on Conference Pulpit (on BBN), the fact is that Stanley was a hellfire and brimstone preacher when younger, and even now is very solid in his teachings. In fact, he is one of the few preachers I have heard that makes mention of the fact that the disciples were not Baptized with the Holy Ghost until Pentecost.

While I do not make a special effort to listen to him, nor read his books, again I can appreciate the ministry he has to a specific audience. He will appeal to people that other preachers may not.

The only negative issue I have heard is that he embraces Millennial Exclusion, but I have not seen any real evidence of that.


God bless.

There used to be a bunch of Millennial Exclusionists on this board some years back. There were threads after threads on the issue and they all were eventually banned and it is considered heresy by powers that be on this board and many of its members. If you look back through those you will find your evidence. In fact I refused to believe he Stanley held that view until I contacted his ministry and they confirmed it.

 

[Darrell C]

There used to be a bunch of Millennial Exclusionists on this board some years back. There were threads after threads on the issue and they all were eventually banned and it is considered heresy by powers that be on this board and many of its members. If you look back through those you will find your evidence. In fact I refused to believe he Stanley held that view until I contacted his ministry and they confirmed it.

When I first joined the issue was at a point where it was a no-no to discuss, however, that doctrine in light of some of the doctrines discussed is mild in comparison. Now some of the fellows that also held to that view, and the associated doctrines that went hand in hand, well, they were another ballgame altogether, lol.

But I still see Stanley as a solid teacher for the most part, and would love to have the chance to discuss that issue with him, to see why he might embrace such nonsense.


God bless.