UFO Disclosure

Was with you all the way up to this point. The Bible doesn't say much about demons, but it says nothing about this ability to assume whatever form they wish. You are also suggesting that they can take on the form of a flying object and fly at incredible speeds. I don't find that in the Bible.

 

Who or what do you consider "the light"? "Always open and searching" suggests that you have not found your way, and that you are gambling with your soul's eternal fate.

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. - II Corinthians 11:14

 

"Prolly"?

Had to look that one up. *laugh*

Cheers.

 

I was actually refering to "the Book of Enoch" instead of the guy himself, my bad for being unprecise here.
Mind you how its allso called "the Book for the last Generation", so i disagree on weather "they"
are here or not being unimportant.
Its there to help us identify and deal with theese guys, and it had to be important, otherwise we
wouldnt have been given something aiding us in doing so.

Poor translation that refers to the knowledge they gave us, in particular lots of things like drug usage(sorcery), astrology, etc, explicitly
forbidden in the Bible. hence this stuff was "evil".
Id consider warfare and "advanced" weapons pretty "evil" too btw...
Its not talking about the fall or the concept of evil at all.

The Bible says God "took" Enoch, he was the only Human that technically never died afaik, to a place from where he could observe all
kinds of weired things, including accounts of something thats often interpretet as "time dialation".
So, either the ancient astronaut guys are right, and Enoch was abboard a Spaceship, or he got moved out of our spacetime frame, into
one of the multiple "heavens". Ill stick with the latter one.
The same way english translations use just one word for the several "hells" (Gehennas, Tartarus, Hades etc) they allso just use one term
for "heaven", of which theres more than just one.
In John 3:13 its ouranós, as opposed to shamayim and, taken the above into context, speaks of the "heaven" in which God resides.

Its been a while since i gave it a read, but i dont recall any passage that contradicts the Bible really. Theres accounts of violations of Gods rules by Angels who practice or teach witchcraft etc, but Angels being disobedient to God isnt a contradiction to the Bible at all.
What it does contradict is the heliocentric worldview, and most likely wasnt included in canon for reasons like that and/or the description of magical arts, but thats a different story...
Allso, Jesus too quoted the Book of Enoch(yes i will not use just "Enoch" anymore), and i sayd this before:
If it was good enough for Jesus, it sure is good enough for me.

@ITL:

You have to discern between fallen Angels and familiar/unclean/evil spirits, which are all lumped up under the term "demon" today,
that originally was a pagan term describing benelovent spirits(more like guardian Angels really).
Note how Luke 11 and Matthew 12 speaks of "unclean spirits" in the KJV, not demons.
The bible remains silent on the origin of those, and theres a whole discussion going on weather theese are the earthbound-souls
of the Nephilim killed during the flood, or not, etc...
See what i wrote on different ranks, this allso applies here, demon=/demon.
They surely arent all just the same, and noone can be really sure what they can and cannot do.
Unfortunatly most of the stuff, like the Apocrypha, which could have shed some light on this, were sucessfully removed from canon.
There however IS a wealth of information talking about how powers granted by theese entities, enable warlocks and witches etc
to shapeshift into animal form or hideous looking creatures for example.
Note that, if they can grant theese abilities to a mere human, they are for sure able to utilize those themselfes.
Everything a warlock or witch can do, is really done by "demons". If you wanna know what exactly they can or cant do, give
"Demonology" by King James and other literature dealing with the topic a read.
I wouldnt recommend delving too deep into this realm, but i think we can agree on the Bible not really being very talkative on the topic.
It just says dont practice it, and dont mingle with those that do...

@Rolf:

Excuse my crummy english, its still a foreign language to me.

 

Yes, this is validating my contention that demons always need a host, human or animal, to do these sorts of things.

No, that does not necessarily follow.

It seems to me that going down this path that "UFOs are demonic" is an attempt to explain the disparate accounts of UFO witnesses, alleged abductees, government information (and disinformation), etc. into one unified theory to neatly explain it all. IMO, it does not neatly explain it all, it causes all sorts other problems which must be solved with yet another set of strange ideas consisting of contortions and extra-Biblical interpretations in order to get to a semi-coherent hypothesis. Each step is built on a tenuous conclusion with the end result being far from the likely reality. Thus you get this:

1. Nephilim are the offspring of fallen angels and human females.

2. a.) The children of these unions were killed in the Flood and their spirits became wandering demons.
and/or
2. b.) The Nephilim were not killed, they survived. They've been hiding out for centuries waiting until the end of days to help the Antichrist gain power.

3. As part of the upcoming deception of the Antichrist, these Nephilim:
a.) built technologically advanced spacecraft and have them hidden somewhere in our solar system
and/or
b.) assisted humans by 'inspiring' them to 'discover' how to build such devices, after all, they couldn't do it on their own
and/or
c.) the demons transform themselves into flying objects
and/or
d.) deceive people into believing there are flying objects that can do crazy aerial maneuvers.

4. They use these "flying saucers" to sow uncertainty and panic in humanity, the end goal being a way to explain away the Rapture--UFO's abducted all the close-minded, intolerant Christians off the Earth so mankind could evolve to the next step of spiritual evolution and become "little gods" themselves. Just follow the new leader that has appeared on the scene, the Antichrist.

So when you get to the end of the trail and look back to the beginning you see an incredible amount of assumptions, conclusion jumping, rationalization, and filling-in-the blanks, which causes most adherents to blithely state, "UFOS are demonic" because they can't concisely state their position without having to go through all the hoops I've detailed. An honest analysis of the UFOs are demonic idea yields a bunch of unanswerable questions and gaping holes in logic. I'm not buying it.

 

Thats the main and underlying point of your whole argumentation, yet you completely fail to see the utmost important thing here.
The KJV, which is in fact the 7th and foretold english Bible-Iteration, the only one authorized by a King, i.e. God given authority, and the
only english Bible to which no human holds the copyright(which should ring a major alarm bell, as if God would allow a man to have any
rights over his word) in its original state DID include the Apocrypha, wheather you like it or not.
Similar things go for the Book of Enoch which Jesus himself approved by quoting from it.
Calling that stuff extrabiblical sources is just ignoring what was given to us, and drawing conclusions on an information basis, that has
holes as wide as the grand canyon in it.
Mind 2 Cor. 2:17 etc, which warns us about forces that are at work trying, and very sucessfully so, to mess up the Word.
And NO, its still available, and will last till the end, just as promised.
If you take this "messed up" state as your reference, instead of the 1611 KJV including(!) the Apocrypha(which isnt inspired scriptire, but
does indeed provide valuable information, as approved by the King, i.e. authority) and ignore the references named by Jesus and his
Apostles(the Book of Baruch and Enoch for example), its not suprising that alot of theese conclusions dont make any sense to you.
But thats a matter cherrypicking what you like, instead of sticking to the entirety of it, and not of wheater scripture does approve it or not.

 

1. The KJV was copyrighted for years and years. I believe it still is copyrighted in England, but no longer in the rest of the world.

2. Please provide the quotations where Jesus quoted the Book of Enoch.

3. The Book of Enoch and the Apocrypha IS extra-Biblical.

 

Its the only Bible you can quote more than 200 words from without being charged, and doesent fall under "ordinary" copyright law.
The KJV is free to everyone...

http://www.nairaland.com/1080843/book-enoch-jesus-quoted-it

Correction, its not in MODERN Bibles.
Where i really wonder how ppl can roll with them to begin with.
The Bible says "purified 7 times", not twenty-something...

 

No, the KJV is protected by copyright in the UK by Cambridge Crown Press. When the copyright expires on the NKJV, the NIV, ESV, etc. just like it had to expire on the KJV, these versions may be quoted for free as well.

Yeah....I've heard of stretching things to make them fit before.

The apocrypha was never intended to be considered inspired and used for doctrine. It was included for instruction and education.

 

https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/King-James-Version-KJV-Bible/
"The KJV is public domain in the United States." It doesent say anything about CR in the UK.
You should really stop just assuming things, and not bothering to doublecheck, you only make yourself look really, really ignorant.

Im more and more startled by your blatant denial of easily verifiable facts...
Ill take it your "modern bible" doesent contain those listed verses anymore?
That btw is the first result that comes up googling "Jesus quoting Enoch".

It was nevertheless approved as important part to understand scripture by the King, he even wrote a preface to the chapter.
When did you, or anybody else deciding it had to be thrown out, become a godgiven authority?
Its apparent by now, that you just ignore those parts of scripture which arent inline with what you believe.

But id like to sincierly thank you, without guys like you, becoming living prophecy themselfes, id have a hard time taking this stuff literal.

/edit: @TCassidy:
Oh nice, that quite doesent match the summary ive came across.
Good to know, im goina get myself a 1538 The Great Bible the next couple days.
Thanks.
/edit: now i see... That summary allso includes translations from latin, translations of translations so to speak.
My bad to not specify it correctly, the 7th translation from the hebrew, arameic and greek texts.

Interresting, but nevertheless theres no company or person holding the rights, but the "Crown" as you put it, or in other words the godgiven authority, right?
So this is kinda unprecidented, which imo is even underlining the point.

 

And the ad homenim attacks begin.

Your link states that the KJV is in the public domain in the USA. Previously I said:

1. The KJV was copyrighted for years and years. I believe it still is copyrighted in England, but no longer in the rest of the world.

So here ya go:
Rights in The Authorized Version of the Bible (King James Bible) in the United Kingdom are vested in the Crown and administered by the Crown’s patentee, Cambridge University Press. The reproduction by any means of the text of the King James Version is permitted to a maximum of five hundred (500) verses for liturgical and non-commercial educational use,
http://www.cambridge.org/bibles/about/rights-and-permissions

When did King James, confirmed homosexual, become a God given authority?

The Apocrypha and the Book of Enoch are not inspired scripture, so no, they aren't in line with what I believe.

You're welcome. I'd like to thank you for proving my point that a coherent argument for "UFOs are demonic" is impossible to make.

 

Jesus had supernatural knowledge of scripture, theres noumerous examples of that.
Not even the wealthiest Synagoges had complete copies of the Scriptures, yet Jesus could quote them all from memory.
Allso, God exists outside of time, therefore it isnt a nessity that those writings did allready exist. He was well aware of things that would
be written in the future as well.

The Bible says however that "interpretation of tongues", translation, (1st Cor. if im not mistaken) is an act that can be guided by the holy spirit.
And i very well do believe god uses algorithms, as can be clearly seen in the hundrets of "7 codes" in the original writings.
I wouldnt be suprised if that pattern is applicable to any language the bible was translated into.

@ITL:

The Bible says authority is given by God.
He was the King, homo or not.
Since when did you earn the right to Judge Gods actions?

With only your believes to back it up...
Its been in the KJV(and prior to that), and man deciding to take it out wont change anything about it.
If you think this through, you claim that believers used a faulty bible for about 1500years.

The only thing youve prooven, is that taking the Bible literal is only an option for you if it doesent contradict your believes...
As soon as that happens, see above.

 

I have to wonder about the username "Dolour". I am sorry but it is just disturbing. Further Demons did not procreate with women, Demons are not extraterrestrials, and there are no UFO's just as there are no bigfoots, and no abominable snowmen. Folks who purport such things will not be taken seriously.

 

That statement actually explains the username...
Im deeply sadened by ppl who decide based on presumptions, with no time whatsoever spent to proove or debunk those, or any other claims, they consider ludicrous, just bc public oppinion says so.
Give that sieries ive linked on page 1 a watch, before dismissing it, just because it contradicts your worldview.
The first 5 minutes will give you a "certain" clue at why it sadens me, to read something like that from a christian.
"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him."
If even we dont act as the bible teaches us to do, how can we expect anyone selse to do so?

 

Yes, and it was man that decided to include it in the first place. So there ya go...

Nice strawman. I said nothing of the sort.

And you've shown in order to support your position (which has NEVER been clearly stated, just skirted around the edges) you have to resort to extra-Biblical sources to make it somewhat hang together.

 

Let's get one thing straight. Just because you show up here all of the sudden and post these ridiculous things does not mean the following:

1. Others have not looked at the evidence.
2. Others need to prove to you they have
3. We need to take you and your so called trumped up evidence seriously
4. That this subject has not been talked about before on this board adnausium

You and your evidence is nothing new. It is a distraction from reality and Christians have no place giving it any further consideration. Also Christians have no business using name like "Dolour". That is not an example of the Christian walk. In fact it is just the opposite.