Featured Have you heard the voice of God? Or, if He talks, what ways do you hear Him?

I don't hold to the authoritative Rome about anything.

I was posting from the history of how the Bible came to us in its present state of 66 books, which is historically accurate.

However, you did bring up two great Scriptures. The first is Peter discussing Paul's use of Scriptures. He does not state that Paul is writing the Scriptures. The second is a statement by Paul of what he considered were the Scriptures. Therefore, both verses are referring to the the writings we can find in the OT. Keep in mind that the Jews considered other writing that we do not as part of Scriptures - even to this day.

Perhaps you can find were Peter or Paul stated that what they wrote was the Scriptures. We acknowledge them as such, and I would contend that they are, but at the time of writing, they were generally letters to the churches to share with each other about matters in some instances particular to those churches, but to us providing principles for our own living. For example: Women keeping silent, learning from their husband, not trying to adorn themselves with jewelry, only the old widows and orphans would be supported by the assembly, and young women were to marry.

I am just not certain what argument you are making unless you are stating that before the Apostle John died, he sat down and made a list of what was and wasn't Scriptures and handed it to his disciples who in turn handed it down to ...

 

Did I not say "about?"

It was done (without going into such detail as you have, which is much appreciated for it does support my post,) with the understanding that T. already knew the history.

 

Unfortunately for me i heard voices but never from God i think. Nevertheless, i can see the signs all the time. I don't know whether they are sent from God or they are just karma or simple balance between the matter. Whenever i make some sin, and i do make them, something happens and i realize i shouldn't have. One thing is always following the other and it is a circle which i don't know how to stop. It doesn't matter how we call it ( i know some will disagree) , whether it is God, karma or something else. Justice find the way eventually. I believe that is the whole purpose of universe. Balance and order of things. We are just here to be the counterpart of the stars.

 

Agedman

In 2 pet 3:16-18 Peter calls Paul's writing scripture.

 

Hello DJJ
If you read Ephesians chapters 1,2,3....you will see God's purpose revealed.
It does indeed matter what we call it.

 

With all of this talk about a "closed canon," you would think the Bible actually teaches such a thing.

John 10:27 contradicts your theory: Jesus taught, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me."

The example of the gospels, the book of Acts, and the rest of the New Testament is that Jesus speaks to His people, even though they also had scripture. Your theory of the "closed canon" insists that not only are there no more books of scripture being written, but also that Jesus has stopped speaking to His people. It would be helpful to your argument if you can show me in scripture where Jesus has decided not to speak to His people anymore.

Do you hear the voice of the Shepherd? Are you actually listening?

 

He does. I believe God speaks to people in many ways.

 

Your post really saddens me. God bless you.

 

No worries ElenaP I'm sending TCassidy a copy of Carnegie's 'How to Win Friends and Influence People'

No offense to either of you, just trying to lighten the mood!

 

As you suggested TCassidy, I decided to go read a book. Here are some excerpts:

"It is also critically important that we remember that the Bible, as we have it now, was not printed at all until almost 1500 years after the birth of Jesus Christ. It is easy to forget, in our modern world... that not all eras have enjoyed the luxury and convenience of the printing press. For almost one and a half millennia after the life, death, and Resurrection of Jesus, the only books that existed were handwritten."

"If you had lived prior to the invention of the printing press, like the men and women of the first 1500 years of Christianity, you would have no access whatsoever to a physical Bible... It is critical that we do not lose sight of the fact that hundreds of millions of people came to know Christ without ever owning or studying the Bible."

"Does God have favorites? Surely God desired that the countless millions of people who lived before the 15th century would know and follow the life and teachings of Jesus. But how could thy, if they had no Bibles, or had no money to buy Bibles, or could not even read the Bible if they could buy one, or could not understand the Bible...?"

"For 1500 years, when there were no Baptists, Pentecostals, Methodists, Anglicans, Evangelicals, Nondenominationals, or any other Christian Church of any type, the Catholic Church preserved the Scriptures from error, saved them from destruction and extinction, multiplied them in every language under the sun, and conveyed the truths they contained to people everywhere."

"It seems strangely paradoxical that so many who claim to love Jesus Christ would be so hostile towards the (Catholic) Church, which has single-handedly protected the records of his life and teaching for so long."

Matthew Kelly

 

Where is the rule about "Baptists only" listed?

Never mind. I see it now that I'm on my PC.

Sent from my Motorola Droid Turbo using Tapatalk.

 

There used to be a set of posting rules that was linked to at the bottom of each page. Since the transition to the new software it seems it did not make it.

 

ElenaP


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This is speculation

Based on what ?

Many errors here.

A gospel of works is no gospel at all.

Many of us were Roman Catholic before God saved us.

 

No. You seem to have forgotten the original question.

As you can see, the question was if we have heard from God and the method in which God has spoken to us. However, you have raised two related questions, and I will answer them:

Yes. Absolutely.

I don't know why those who say God doesn't speak obsess about an "audible voice" and "speaking in your ear." I am unaware of any time God has spoken to me in a way where others might hear an audible disembodied voice. I have heard God's voice to me in forms of specific language more than a few times.

Jumping to science for a moment. We tend to associate hearing with the ears. Ears are mechanical receptors, but the processing of sound input takes place in the mind. What we call an audible voice is something that is recognized and understood in the mind, even though the stimuli comes from the pressure disturbances in the atmosphere detected from the mechanical processes of the eardrum and inner ear against the auditory nerves.

That said, I find it strange that people tend to get obsessed over whether or not the atmosphere was "disturbed" by God in His communication with us.

Yes, I have "heard" the voice of God speak to me in clear specific language on a number of occasions - usually when I am ministering to someone in crisis and there are specific words that need to be said. Was the atmosphere disturbed? I don't think so. Would it shock me if it was? Nope.

 

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