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Have you heard the voice of God? Or, if He talks, what ways do you hear Him?

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agedman

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So you accept the Church of Rome's version of the giving of the canon and not the biblical version (2nd Peter 3:15-16 and 1 Timothy 5:18)? Do you also recognize the Authoritative Magisterium as the only authority for understanding the bible? What other elements of the faith do you cede to Rome?
I don't hold to the authoritative Rome about anything.

I was posting from the history of how the Bible came to us in its present state of 66 books, which is historically accurate.

However, you did bring up two great Scriptures. The first is Peter discussing Paul's use of Scriptures. He does not state that Paul is writing the Scriptures. The second is a statement by Paul of what he considered were the Scriptures. Therefore, both verses are referring to the the writings we can find in the OT. Keep in mind that the Jews considered other writing that we do not as part of Scriptures - even to this day.

Perhaps you can find were Peter or Paul stated that what they wrote was the Scriptures. We acknowledge them as such, and I would contend that they are, but at the time of writing, they were generally letters to the churches to share with each other about matters in some instances particular to those churches, but to us providing principles for our own living. For example: Women keeping silent, learning from their husband, not trying to adorn themselves with jewelry, only the old widows and orphans would be supported by the assembly, and young women were to marry.

I am just not certain what argument you are making unless you are stating that before the Apostle John died, he sat down and made a list of what was and wasn't Scriptures and handed it to his disciples who in turn handed it down to ...
 

agedman

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Actually, this is not true. It was 363 AD when the Council of Laodicea decided on that the Old Testament and 27 New Testament books were the only ones to be read in the church and the Council of Hippo in 393 adn the Council of Carthage in 397 agreed that the 27 books of the NT were authoritative and most of the books were mentioned as Scripture even hundreds of years earlier.
Did I not say "about?" :)

It was done (without going into such detail as you have, which is much appreciated for it does support my post,) with the understanding that T. already knew the history.
 

djordjem87

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Unfortunately for me i heard voices but never from God i think. Nevertheless, i can see the signs all the time. I don't know whether they are sent from God or they are just karma or simple balance between the matter. Whenever i make some sin, and i do make them, something happens and i realize i shouldn't have. One thing is always following the other and it is a circle which i don't know how to stop. It doesn't matter how we call it ( i know some will disagree) , whether it is God, karma or something else. Justice find the way eventually. I believe that is the whole purpose of universe. Balance and order of things. We are just here to be the counterpart of the stars.
 

Iconoclast

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Unfortunately for me i heard voices but never from God i think. Nevertheless, i can see the signs all the time. I don't know whether they are sent from God or they are just karma or simple balance between the matter. Whenever i make some sin, and i do make them, something happens and i realize i shouldn't have. One thing is always following the other and it is a circle which i don't know how to stop. It doesn't matter how we call it ( i know some will disagree) , whether it is God, karma or something else. Justice find the way eventually. I believe that is the whole purpose of universe. Balance and order of things. We are just here to be the counterpart of the stars.
Hello DJJ
If you read Ephesians chapters 1,2,3....you will see God's purpose revealed.
It does indeed matter what we call it.
 

Baptist Believer

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Yes I know of that and then I would point out the many NT verses that say he who has ears let him hear. And that Paul makes it clear that Faith is by hearing the word of God. There is no need for extra Biblical revelation with the Canon being closed.
With all of this talk about a "closed canon," you would think the Bible actually teaches such a thing.

John 10:27 contradicts your theory: Jesus taught, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me."

The example of the gospels, the book of Acts, and the rest of the New Testament is that Jesus speaks to His people, even though they also had scripture. Your theory of the "closed canon" insists that not only are there no more books of scripture being written, but also that Jesus has stopped speaking to His people. It would be helpful to your argument if you can show me in scripture where Jesus has decided not to speak to His people anymore.

Do you hear the voice of the Shepherd? Are you actually listening?
 

TCassidy

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I was posting from the history of how the Bible came to us in its present state of 66 books, which is historically accurate.

However, you did bring up two great Scriptures. The first is Peter discussing Paul's use of Scriptures. He does not state that Paul is writing the Scriptures. The second is a statement by Paul of what he considered were the Scriptures. Therefore, both verses are referring to the the writings we can find in the OT. Keep in mind that the Jews considered other writing that we do not as part of Scriptures - even to this day.
2 Peter 3:15 And think of the long-suffering of our Lord as salvation (as our beloved brother Paul also has written to you according to the wisdom given to him
16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable pervert, as also they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction).

Paul's writing placed with "the rest of the scriptures" by Peter writing under Inspiration.

1 Timothy 5:18 For the Scripture says, "You shall not muzzle the ox treading out grain," and, "The laborer is worthy of his reward."

The last quote, called "Scripture" is found in Luke 10:7.

The New Testament quotes itself as Scripture. QED
 

ElenaP

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WOW! Who in the world told you that lie? The bible existed long before the Catholic Church, and even longer before Gutenberg invented the printing press.

The bible was completed by 100 AD and the Catholic Church had its roots in Emperor Constantine's unholy marriage of church and state in 325 AD, 250 years later. And the Catholic Church did not evolve into its present form until Leo I in 460 AD.

The bible existed in virtually its present form as early as 110 AD and we have full copies, including both the Old and New Testaments exactly as they are today, dating to 325-350 AD that are still in existence today.

Good grief, Elena, read a book or something!

Your post really saddens me. God bless you.
 

ElenaP

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Good grief, Elena, read a book or something!

As you suggested TCassidy, I decided to go read a book. Here are some excerpts:

"It is also critically important that we remember that the Bible, as we have it now, was not printed at all until almost 1500 years after the birth of Jesus Christ. It is easy to forget, in our modern world... that not all eras have enjoyed the luxury and convenience of the printing press. For almost one and a half millennia after the life, death, and Resurrection of Jesus, the only books that existed were handwritten."

"If you had lived prior to the invention of the printing press, like the men and women of the first 1500 years of Christianity, you would have no access whatsoever to a physical Bible... It is critical that we do not lose sight of the fact that hundreds of millions of people came to know Christ without ever owning or studying the Bible."

"Does God have favorites? Surely God desired that the countless millions of people who lived before the 15th century would know and follow the life and teachings of Jesus. But how could thy, if they had no Bibles, or had no money to buy Bibles, or could not even read the Bible if they could buy one, or could not understand the Bible...?"

"For 1500 years, when there were no Baptists, Pentecostals, Methodists, Anglicans, Evangelicals, Nondenominationals, or any other Christian Church of any type, the Catholic Church preserved the Scriptures from error, saved them from destruction and extinction, multiplied them in every language under the sun, and conveyed the truths they contained to people everywhere."

"It seems strangely paradoxical that so many who claim to love Jesus Christ would be so hostile towards the (Catholic) Church, which has single-handedly protected the records of his life and teaching for so long."

Matthew Kelly
 

TCassidy

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Your post really saddens me. God bless you.
It saddens you that God gave us a bible through the early writings of the Apostles?

It saddens you that thousands of copies of that bible were made over the next 1500 years, by hand, until the invention of the printing press?

Why does God giving us His word sadden you?

What do you have against the bible?

Are you a Catholic?

If so, what are you doing in a Baptist Only section of the BB?
 

TCassidy

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As I suspected we have another person so dishonest they sneak in where they know they are not allowed to be. This is the "Baptist Only" section of the BB yet ElenaP is not a Baptist.

From her profile:

ElenaP
Member, Female, 41
ElenaP was last seen: Today at 5:36 PM

About
Gender:Female
Birthday:Jan 1, 1974 (Age: 41)

Denomination(Baptist, Methodist, Catholic...): christian
Home Church: none
Statement of Salvation: no idea
 

InTheLight

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Where is the rule about "Baptists only" listed?

Never mind. I see it now that I'm on my PC.

Sent from my Motorola Droid Turbo using Tapatalk.
 

Revmitchell

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Where is the rule about "Baptists only" listed?

Sent from my Motorola Droid Turbo using Tapatalk.

There used to be a set of posting rules that was linked to at the bottom of each page. Since the transition to the new software it seems it did not make it.
 

Iconoclast

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ElenaP


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If you had lived prior to the invention of the printing press, like the men and women of the first 1500 years of Christianity, you would have no access whatsoever to a physical Bible... It is critical that we do not lose sight of the fact that hundreds of millions of people came to know Christ without ever owning or studying the Bible
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This is speculation

"Does God have favorites? Surely God desired that the countless millions of people who lived before the 15th century would know and follow the life and teachings of Jesus.

Based on what ?

"For 1500 years, when there were no Baptists, Pentecostals, Methodists, Anglicans, Evangelicals, Nondenominationals, or any other Christian Church of any type, the Catholic Church preserved the Scriptures from error, saved them from destruction and extinction, multiplied them in every language under the sun, and conveyed the truths they contained to people everywhere."

Many errors here.

"It seems strangely paradoxical that so many who claim to love Jesus Christ would be so hostile towards the (Catholic) Church, which has single-handedly protected the records of his life and teaching for so long."

A gospel of works is no gospel at all.

Many of us were Roman Catholic before God saved us.
 

Baptist Believer

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But that was not the question. The question was, and is, "Have you heard the voice of God?"

Have you heard an audible voice speaking in your ear?

No. You seem to have forgotten the original question.

In another post I made the mistake of saying God spoke to me, and I was seriously mocked for insinuating I heard from God.

So I have to ask you all, have you ever heard from God, and in what form did God speak to you? Plus, how did you know that you knew, that it was God you heard from?

Scripture to support you views on the voice of God within us would be helpful. Thanks!

As you can see, the question was if we have heard from God and the method in which God has spoken to us. However, you have raised two related questions, and I will answer them:

"Have you heard the voice of God?"
Yes. Absolutely.

Have you heard an audible voice speaking in your ear?
I don't know why those who say God doesn't speak obsess about an "audible voice" and "speaking in your ear." I am unaware of any time God has spoken to me in a way where others might hear an audible disembodied voice. I have heard God's voice to me in forms of specific language more than a few times.

Jumping to science for a moment. We tend to associate hearing with the ears. Ears are mechanical receptors, but the processing of sound input takes place in the mind. What we call an audible voice is something that is recognized and understood in the mind, even though the stimuli comes from the pressure disturbances in the atmosphere detected from the mechanical processes of the eardrum and inner ear against the auditory nerves.

That said, I find it strange that people tend to get obsessed over whether or not the atmosphere was "disturbed" by God in His communication with us.

Yes, I have "heard" the voice of God speak to me in clear specific language on a number of occasions - usually when I am ministering to someone in crisis and there are specific words that need to be said. Was the atmosphere disturbed? I don't think so. Would it shock me if it was? Nope.
 

NaasPreacher (C4K)

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As I suspected we have another person so dishonest they sneak in where they know they are not allowed to be. This is the "Baptist Only" section of the BB yet ElenaP is not a Baptist.

Please, if anyone notices non-Baptists posting in these section, use the report button. We can then communicate with the member advising them of our policies.
 
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