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Yes, everyone is affected and has sin nature. Total inability/depravity isn't clearly taught in scripture. If it is, please show me some verses? Because i've described two occurrences where Jesus Marveled at Their Faith AND Unbelief. If a man was "Totally Depraved" as if Light was impenetrable, Then why would Christ make those claims?

I am at work and will have to continue later, sorry. Have a blessed day in our Lord Jesus.

 

Ez. 18:30 “Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways,” says the Lord God. “Repent, and turn from all your transgressions, so that iniquity will not be your ruin. 31 Cast away from you all the transgressions which you have committed, and get yourselves a new heart and a new spirit. For why should you die, O house of Israel?

 

The "natural" result? Really?

So it wasn't God's plan that humans would be depraved after the fall, it just "naturally" happened...

 

I will address more later, please forgive me. Have a blessed day in our Lord. Please note my responses in red.

 

How? Who decided they would go from innocence to depravity?

 

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

17 and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it -- dying thou dost die.'

 

Yes or no. Was it God's plan that man would be totally depraved after the fall?

 

How do you know you aren't part of the ones who "Doesn't have ears to hear" and that you are just parroting what sounds good to you?

 

God revealed to man His law, life, and fellowship in His untested yet pre-fallen state.[original righteousness]. In this verse in Gen. the severe consequence of rebellion was made abundantly clear. God meant what He said.

I believe God has ordained whatsoever comes to pass.

The fact that Jesus was mediator and surety before the world was indicates God had indeed considered mankind as fallen in Adam.....or creation could not have taken place.

Does this qualify as a yes or a no to you?

 

ITL,
God creates the law of gravity.

That law helps us....[we do not just float away into space]

Knowing the law exists you decide to step off the top of the empire state building despite being warned of the consequences of such action!

People looking at your splattered remains.......do they blame the law of gravity? or blame God because such a law and its consequences exist?
Did God push you off?

yes or no

or do we blame your parents for having you in the first place?

 

How does he know the law exists? He is "Totally Unable" to know spiritual things.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual:

Which doesn't mesh if we compare it to this...

Romans 1:19-21 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.


How can there be such a great cause and effect If there is no choice???

God manifested Himself to them and they rejected Him...and then their hearts were darkened.

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I agree it is all God. Where did i say i Did anything supernatural?

Edit...Perhaps you are aware you ARE preaching a man-invented soteriology?

 

"JonShaff,

Unsaved men "know things".....but because of sin they twist and distort the God given meaning and purpose to replace it with their own sinful desires and notions.
They can never come to a godly saving knowledge without the Spirit granting it to them.
Instead they invent things according to their rules......which translates to sinful idolatry;

See psalm 115

This section describes mans universal and total depravity......here;
Because that, when they knew God,


they glorified him not as God,
neither were thankful;
but became vain in their imaginations,
and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image
made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie,
and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Man makes choices even if his will is not free.

They always do...psalm 14:1-3