Featured Where does faith come from? 2nd Rodeo

In John 3 Jesus said “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”[John 3:3]

Nicodemus was a Pharisee of the Sandhedrin. Now, being born again was not something that started happening only after Jesus' arrival on the scene, but was already ongoing. He said to Nicodemus again, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at My saying 'you must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”[John 3:5-8] But Jesus was speaking to a Jew and this does not apply to us because 90-95% of the four gospels took place while still under the Law, as Christ never fulfilled the Law until He was resurrected.

 

The new birth only happens when husband and wife have relations, sperm fertilizes egg and ~ 9 months later a baby is birthed. No baby had a lot, matter or say in the matter. Jesus used that as an example to Nicodemus. Isaiah 66 used that as an example, too. But only Jews are born again, per DHK's dispensationialism.

 

John Gill's commentary on Isaiah 66:23...

Isaiah 66:23

And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another,
&c.] Or, "from month in its months" F17, The Targum is,

``in the time of the beginning of the "month in its month";''that is, in every day of the month; or rather every month: and from one sabbath to another;
the form of expressions the same as before; and in like manner paraphrased in the Targum; and signifies either every day in the week; or rather every sabbath, or first day in the week; for we are not to imagine that new moons and Jewish sabbaths, that is, seventh day sabbaths, shall now be observed, which have been long abolished, ( Colossians 2:16 ) but, as New Testament officers of churches are, in the preceding verses, called by Old Testament names; so here the times and seasons of Gospel worship are expressed in Old Testament language; and the sense is, that the people of Christ and members of churches, in the latter day, shall constantly attend church meetings; shall assemble together every month to celebrate the Lord's supper; and every Lord's day, to hear the word, pray and sing praises together; hereby enjoying much spiritual peace and rest, and increasing in evangelical light, signified by the new moons and sabbaths; and especially this will have a fuller accomplishment in the New Jerusalem state, when there will be a perfect sabbatism, which now remains for the people of God, and when their light will be exceeding great and glorious; and so the JewsF18 interpret this of the world to come, which is all sabbath or rest; that is, from all toil and labour, from sin and sorrow, from Satan's temptations, and the world's persecutions; but not from the worship and service of God; though that will be in a different and more perfect manner than now it is; as follows: all flesh shall come to worship before me, saith the Lord;
that is, men of all nations, and persons of each sex; not Jews only, and their males, as formerly, but men and women; not every individual, but all that will be converted, which will be many, shall come to the places of public worship, where the saints meet together for that purpose, and join together in it; and this they shall do continually and without intermission, as the first Christians did, ( Acts 2:42 ) ( Hebrews 10:25 ) . The Talmud F19 interprets this of such whose heart is become as flesh; see ( Ezekiel 36:26 ) these shall not only worship in the presence of God, and in the view of him the omniscient God, and by his assistance, and to his glory; but him himself, Father, Son, and Spirit, with reverence and devotion, in spirit and in truth, and that constantly, in the New Jerusalem, and ultimate glory, in the utmost perfection and purity.

This could not be a reference to heaven because in heaven there is no night...just one continuos day.

 

You have no right to say this. It is you who continually deflects and say the new heart and Spirit is for the Jews only.

Uh, no I am not off topic. The new birth..which is what the Isaiah 66 passage I referred to, which you called an allegory, is what brings faith. It was on topic, but you see believers not having a new fleshly heart and spirit. This will be given to the Jews.

Whatever dude.

 

You need to rephrase this. I have no clue the thought(s) you are conveying here. Please simplify this...please?

 

Sooo, people were saved yet no regenerated? Impossible, as the Spirit is what regenerates sinners.

That is why Jesus flew into Nicodemus. Jesus said to him “You are Israel’s teacher," said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?[John 3:10-12]

The new birth, the birth from above, being born anew, was as much a reality in the OT as it is now. That is why Jesus flew into Nicodemus. He told him 'you must be born again', and this was pre-cross, too.