Featured Debunking Unconditional Eternal Security: Hebrews 10:39

Once Saved Always Saved is definitely biblical.

Its right here:

Genesis 2

4The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die! 5“For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Its what got us in the mess to begin with. Adam and Eve were children of God, loved by God, given paradise, holy, God breathed Image of God. They were without sin and there was no death. And the first thing Satan is sucker them into Once Saved Always Saved.

God disapproves sin first and foremost because the harm it does to you, not for the sake of some rule or law which purpose was to help you.

Sin is not a perk you can have as long as you pay for consequences, The "consequences" themselves God's discipline are for the sake of stopping sin.

Satan sold Adam and Eve was a GODLIKE SECURITY that they could be like GOD because God could not be trusted and security has to be in your hands. That you have to have a leverage over God.

The sin itself is the complete suffering and attempt to murder God not merely as presented in existence but down to the soul and spirit of what God is.

Its better for a innocent man like Jesus to be tortured and hated by everyone one the planet and thrown in hell, then for a man to get heaven, everything he wants and then sins.

You can torture Jesus for thousands of eternities he's not going to sin. For him its as obvious as shoes goes on the feet. Sin itself is what we need to crack and break.

When I beg God for salvation It means nothing but cease of sin and the GOOD WORK of loving God.

It has nothing to do with my immortality or some Disneyland of getting what I want or some Reward or avoidance of consequence.

I rather love God once the right way. That's the total victory that's the goal.

 

And on what basis will God forgive you?


God bless.

 

Satan was correct:

Genesis 3

King James Version (KJV)

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.


22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:


And you will have to explain to Vooks that you agree with him, lol.


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Vooks, you are really going to have to stop trying to say two different things at the same time.

You are attributing unbelievers as having salvation. You still contradict yourself.


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And did you deserve that forgiveness? When He forgave you your past sins?

And...what is the basis?

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No, Vooks, there is no possibility of that, because in view is the difference between those who reject salvation in Christ, and those who do not draw back unto perdition.

It is impossible to both reject and accept Christ. One has either embraced Christ or he has not.

And again you simply do not understand your question is out of the context of the passage. In view is not a renouncing of something, but a rejection.

Hebrews 10:28 is not speaking about Old Testament rejecters renouncing Moses' Law, but despising it.

Hebrews 10:29 is speaking of those in that current day not just despising it, but counting Him, His Sacrifice, and the New Covenant...as unholy.

Now, what do the rejecters count as holy?

Very simple: the sacrifices of the Law. That is why the Writer contrasts the Covenant of the Law so often, because the entire Book centers around trying to convince Hebrews to embrace Christ rather than staying under Law. This is the point of "there remaineth no more sacrifice," it is a statement to the fact that the sacrifices (which he speaks about in detail at the beginning of this chapter) of the Law could not bring remission of sins in completion.

You need to study the Book, Vooks. If you do, you will see what the Writer is saying. Read it ten times straight through, and by the times you do that, you will have a better grasp of it.


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Not me, Vooks...you.

You were forgiven based on exactly what the Writer states as the means of forgiveness, and He makes it clear that you have been made complete in regards of remission of sins. That does not allow for a "clean slate" mentality, the principle is concrete.

And that is what the New Covenant promised. I have quoted that fact many times in our discussions.

But your view says "God will remember sins," and "He doesn't really forgive sin completely, He just wipes the slate clean so you better be good."

Do you really think you have been good since you were saved?

Which sin which you have committed, since you were saved...isn't enough to incur the penalty of the Law?

Which one, Vooks?

Any of them?

Or are the sins you commit okay, it's just the really bad ones others commit that will cause the unending and complete remission of sins we have based on the Blood of Christ to become void of merit?

Or do you think you have not sinned since being saved? Ever do something since being saved you knew in advance was sin?


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Yet another example of you saying two opposite things and thinking you are saying the same thing.

If all your sins were forgiven, how can you imply that the sins of the future are not also forgiven based on His death for you, not individual sins?


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Unless you commit willful sin.

Unless you do that which is listed in Hebrews 10:29.

Those sins were not forgiven, right?


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And that, my friend...is what I have been trying to tell you since post 1, lol.

That is what you are doing, teaching that one can accept and reject. The context is only of those that reject, not those who accept, then, as you said here...

You can't renounce a faith that was never existent. The Writer is warning of those who associate with Christ that there is no other Sacrifice they can turn to. This has a direct Historical application to those who would have sat in the assemblies this Epistle was read.

As I said once before, you and I never had to renounce a heritage of the Law as these Hebrews were called to do. This is what he (the Writer) means when he says...


Hebrews 6

King James Version (KJV)

1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.


Let me ask you, how could someone have charged you with needing to be taught again the First Principles of the Oracles of God when you were saved?

Did you have the ABCs of the Old Testament prior to salvation in Christ, when you did in fact embrace that which is perfect in Christ and only pictured in the Old Testament?


God bless.