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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by blessedwife318, Jul 21, 2016.

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  1. TCassidy

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    No, just making a truthful observation.

    Your self-righteousness is in your condemnation of Trump for his sins but without an in-depth understanding of your own sin. That is the very definition of self-righteousness. You think his sin is worse than your own. You condemn him for his sin but you do not condemn yourself for being just as sinful. So you judge him based on your own self-righteous assumption of your own spiritual superiority.
     
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    I'm an absolute wretch. I'm just as deserving of hell as anyone, because I have sinned against God in more ways than I could ever mention. It is only by God's Grace and His Grace alone that I can come before Him as His child pleading the blood of Jesus Christ for my forgiveness. This is not something I would ever dare deny. And if I have please quote me so I can make that right with God. So again I ask for your evidence of my self-righteous judgment, so that I can get that right with God.

    So until you show evidence of such, you are now guilty of what you criticize others of, pretending to know my heart and how I view my own wretchedness.
     
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    And how do you know he has not repented?

    I am not the one judging him.

    He did not file bankruptcy. And the businesses he "owned" were run by a board of directors elected by the share holders. And I would avoid accusing him of having "swindled" his investors. That accusation may be actionable. Not just against you but also against the Baptist Board. I highly recommend you edit that accusation out of your post.

    And you have proof that he somehow influenced the city (bribery?) to file the suit? You are aware, are you not, that the issue started long before Trump Entertainment even owned the rest of the property? It was owned by Bob Guccione who offered Coking $1 million for her property in order to build the Penthouse Boardwalk Hotel and Casino?

    But once again you prove that you are uninformed as to the truth and are just going by the propaganda put out by the Clinton campaign.
     
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    You judge others as being spiritually inferior to yourself, as I have pointed out several times now.
     
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    Still waiting for a quote
     
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    He financed his casino with junk bonds because he couldn't get traditional financing from a bank.
     
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    Note to anyone still reading this thread: It has evolved from attacking Clinton, to attacking the length of my OP, to attacking Cruz, to attacking me. Not once has anyone actually gone through and tried to refute my points made in the OP.
     
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    I am not convinced that confession is that separate from asking for forgiveness, but I will grant you the technical distinction, assuming your definitions.

    I know it's descriptive and not necessarily normative, but Psalm 51, to me, seems to be a good example of seeking forgiveness of sins.

    That being said, I see your point, but I don't think Trump would make such a technical argument. I wish he had also been asked if he confesses his sins; that would have provided some clarity for this discussion.
     
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    On the first point, I said you "may" assume I'm lost because that's your prerogative. If I appear to be lost, then you can assume so. It's not a judgment, just a provisional consideration.

    For the last part, I would hope you would assume I was lost when entering your church because I would need to hear the gospel. That's all I meant by what I said. I'd rather assume everyone who enters is lost until I have reason to believe otherwise because every person needs to be presented with the gospel. I hope that makes sense. I'm not sure I'm getting it out clearly--my mind can go a little bonkers sometimes.
     
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    That's because there is no refutation to be had. The only responses you will get are:

    But...but...but....Hillary.
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    But the Supreme Court.

    You will not get an argument extolling the virtues of voting FOR Trump, just that you should vote for evil (just not as evil as Hillary.)
     
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    You enter the church I pastored and you would hear the gospel. No message was ever preached that did not include the gospel. So I don't have to make any assumptions. Everybody in ear shot of the pulpit gets the gospel. :)
     
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    Why?
     
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    There are about 290 LDS congregations in Colorado. That is not beans.
     
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    That is a lot of tap dancing. But Cruz and the other losing candidates pledged to endorse the RNC candidate.
     
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    I never heard him promise to "endorse" the nominee only that he would "support" the nominee. If you could find a video oh him saying he would "endorse " the nominee that would be something but until than I will ask how has Cruz not supported Trump? He congratulated him on winning, he has said he does not want to be a write-in candidate and he told his supporters not to stay home but to get out and vote up and down ballots for the candidate that loves Freedom and the Constitution. So how has he not supported Trump?

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    You know as well as anyone that Cruz refused to endorse Trump.

    Regardless, Trump allowed Sen Cruz to come to the convention and speak his mind. This was generosity as far as I am concerned.

    After Cruz dropped out of the primaries, Trump said, "Ted Cruz, I don’t know if he likes me or doesn’t like me, but he is one hell of a competitor. He is a tough, smart guy. And he has got an amazing future."

    So that was Trump's way of trying to make peace with him. He made an effort.
     
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    1. I didn't say "endorsed" I said "support" How has Cruz not "supported" Trump?

    2. Trump didn't have a choice about Cruz speaking since Cruz won more than 8 states. So know it's not generous when he didn't have a choice.



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    Then I think we are on the same page, really. I just meant that I would say to deliver the gospel to every person as if they had not accepted it. I didn't mean assuming anything other than that.
     
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    I love to tell the story of unseen things above,
    Of Jesus and His glory, of Jesus and His love.
    I love to tell the story, because I know ’tis true;
    It satisfies my longings as nothing else can do.

    Refrain

    I love to tell the story, ’twill be my theme in glory,
    To tell the old, old story of Jesus and His love.

    I love to tell the story; more wonderful it seems
    Than all the golden fancies of all our golden dreams.
    I love to tell the story, it did so much for me;
    And that is just the reason I tell it now to thee.

    Refrain

    I love to tell the story; ’tis pleasant to repeat
    What seems, each time I tell it, more wonderfully sweet.
    I love to tell the story, for some have never heard
    The message of salvation from God’s own holy Word.

    Refrain

    I love to tell the story, for those who know it best
    Seem hungering and thirsting to hear it like the rest.

    And when, in scenes of glory, I sing the new, new song,
    ’Twill be the old, old story that I have loved so long.

    Refrain

     
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