Featured Misunderstanding Unlimited Atonement.

Well here we have to address two problems.

Problem 1 ASSUMPTION that if God can provide something then he doesn't.


About as good a claim as stating without AIR there is no life.

That doesn't mean air is not provided.

Without God there is no feet, does that mean all humans are born without feet?

If God can count to 5 then mankind cannot count to 5.

The Second problem is having a redefined version of "GOOD". Where a EVIL motivated act of "GOOD" is called GOOD rather then evil.


Was Hitler kind for "the glory of God and out of faith in Him"?


When I say someone does good works they fit the bill of "the glory of God and out of faith in Him"

But when you say good works, It doesn't even have to be good at all, it can even be evil.


A evil motivated work is called a good work.

 

You guys are stuck, because you need to introduce 2nd class Love, 2nd class Good. Fake versions of the words good and love.

God love your enemies, 2nd class love. God loves his chosen, 1st class love.

Good that is not good for God, 2nd class good. Good that is good for God 1st class good.


We already have a word for "GOOD" things not good to God..........EVIL.

So when I say man is capable of good, I'm talking actual good.

 

Even James White will tell you if it weren't for God having us tied down we would all be dead right now from sinful murdering rampage. Maybe I can find you a video?

 

So are we saying ALL MANKIND is TOTALLY incapable of AGAPE. Right?

 

No, you misunderstand the concept!

It refers to sinners, left to their own decisions, will be ruled over by their sin natures, and as such, will not desire to know and obey the true God, will make up their own gods to worship, and will always be doing even good things from selfish motives...

They worship in the ultimate sense themselves, as they value their desires/wants/needs in the end..

Not everyone ends up a Hilter. but all at one time or another place themselves before all others, serve them selves...

And crate all kinfs of false gods and religion, as they want to take pride in doing "something" to merit and get"saved"

 

Jesus Himself stated that His parables were NOT for those outside of His Kingdom, but was meant for those who He had saved, and were given ears to hear and know the truth...

Jesus declared that His flock would hear his voice, but that those NOT of his sheep/flock would NOT hear nor heed Him...

The scriptures are clear on this, but you fervant hatred towards Calvinism views cloud your ability to see them!

 

You said:

"It refers to sinners, left to their own decisions, will be ruled over by their sin natures, and as such, will not desire to know and obey the true God, will make up their own gods to worship, and will always be doing even good things from selfish motives..."


I call that completely evil, incapable of Good.


Give me an example of GOOD outside of Jesus Christ or God.

A selfish motive......that is called EVIL.

If I bring you a cake to cheat on your wife the cake is not a GOOD ACT. It is EVIL.

Blurring GOOD and EVIL can accomplish a great case against works......no kidding if every GOOD work is just another EVIL WORK.

That's what your telling me. There is EVIL WORKS and then there is REAL SNEAKY EVIL WORKS.

Next post I will show scripture against this.

 

The accusation being thrown on man by Total Depravity is the SAME argument the Pharisees who accused Jesus of being Totally Depraved, The Pharisees tried to blur GOOD and EVIL and Jesus corrects them. FOR THE SAME REASON. The same argument. That well all the good Jesus does has only evil for motivation.

And the beauty of it is the answer is all in one chapter.


First Jesus is accused of TOTAL DEPRAVITY.

Matthew 12

22Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute was brought to Jesus, and He healed him, so that the mute man spoke and saw. 23All the crowds were amazed, and were saying, “This man cannot be the Son of David, can he?” 24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”
25And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26“If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? 27“If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges. 28“But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29“Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
30“He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
31“Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32“Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.


According to Jesus If a person under Satan does GOOD then Satan is divided against himself and his Kingdom cannot stand.

According to Jesus the perfect argument against being accused of Total depravity is Satan doing Good things is trouble for Satan.

Jesus' comeback wasn't well I am under God, But Satan divided against himself.

He then attacks this notion of trying to BLUR GOOD AND EVIL. Because they wanted to Call good acts EVIL. It didn't matter what GOOD Jesus did, It was from Satan. The same thing I'm trying to drive though to you.

Matthew 12

33“Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit. 34“You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart. 35“The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil. 36“But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. 37“For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”


Either make GOOD WORKS and its fruit GOOD or make EVIL WORKS and it fruit EVIL.

Don't start calling things good works and then whisper well its Satan's work.


Finally Jesus Christ gives the conditions of justification. And this one is biblical without having to edit or scribble in "alone".

For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.

 

He can't repent, cause then that would make him a synergist.

If its all on God don't waste your time with us. Tell God to get to it and fix us.

Since God already regenerated you and every one else is a couple cans short of a six-pack.

Pray for us. I'll just sit back and smoke a cig.

 

Responding to the gospel is not meritorious? So refusing the gospel is not a sin correct?