Featured The Meaning of 'World' in John 3:16

Jesus is telling you the condemnation itself. "this is the condemnation"

Its not Christ's condemnation: 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Jesus is not making an accusation or condemnation. Jesus is also neither saying this is the way the world is.

He is pointing out YOUR PROBLEM MARTIN.

'And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil'

This is YOUR CONDEMNATION, The hell you put yourself though.

You believe you are in a world were "that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil'


Judgment has a way flipping back tenfold on top of you when you make accusations. They don't call the devil ACCUSER for nothing.


18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Grab two people. The name of the only begotten son of God is "GOD SAVES".

The one who doesn't believe God saves says to himself "men loved darkness rather than light" Why? Because their deeds were evil.

There is no forgiveness, he doesn't believe they reach for God.

14“You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden;

A Good person is Kind and Loving. No matter what you do Martin he believes deep down you love God that is you love light more then darkness.

He doesn't say YOU are evil because your deeds are evil. He prays for you and has high hopes for you, because his GOD SAVES. The opposite of hopelessness.

He is not under that condemnation.

You can spit in this guys face, and he doesn't get angry. You can steal his shirt and the next day he shows up with a jacket and better shirts for you.

I want 5$ he gives me 10$. A bus could hit you and he would throw himself in your place and not just say, but actually believe you are worth it.

You could have been a murderer, sinner of the worst kind, the bottom of the bottom and he would have still done it.

He knows God is such a good thing really and loves God so much, he can't even conceive the notion that you would prefer anything else. Forgive them father for they know not what they do.

 

Christ died for the whole world. If He hadn't then there wouldn't be any "who so ever" not you or me. The really gracious thing about it is, Salvation is offered to "who so ever" believes, to anyone and not necessarily, a particular few..

Who ever is saved must also be willing. The jailer was willing because he asked what he should do to be saved.
Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Don't you think he believed? Do you think he had to find out if he were chosen first? No! He realized He must believe. This was clearly a decision he had to make himself.
MB

 

God makes a real offer to all people to believe in the good news and turn to Jesus and get saved, but the wicked and lost choose to remain in their darkness, while the Elect will choose to come into the light.

 

You CANNOT push Love of God as His only attribute though, as His holiness and Sovergn wats are just as important!

So in your theology, how and when does a sinner get saved then?

 

Actually Pink reinterpreted the word "world" and you accepted his word for it because it fits your theology.

Salvation is offered to the whole world, this is why we are told by Christ to preach the gospel to every living creature. Our Lord and Savior wasn't being foolish when He told His disciples this, He was as serious as He could be. As far election is concerned No one has ever shown even one Gentile that was called elect in the Bible. The only elect in my view are the Jews, And they still are the only elect in scripture.

've read both Jn, 3:19 and 5:40. The Light spoken of is the Light of the knowledge of Christ. Jn 5:40 is Christ speaking with Jews who rejected Him. It is a fact the Jews did not believe He is the messiah.

I will agree that it is God's Holy Spirit and His word that convicts men and women of there sins and brings them to Christ. As far as being chosen for Salvation. John 3:16 tells us all who has been chosen for Salvation "the whole world." Everyone. Those who are not saved are those who rejects Jesus and His Word. As did the Jews in Jn 5:30 -47
MB

 

That would indeed be strange wayto see it, as Paul states tha all of the elect as being all those saved, regardless Jew/Gentile!

 

There is in scripture a national election that refers to Israel and a corporate election that refers to all who believe.

 

Thank you for your agreement.

I realize that Paul spoke to Jews and Gentiles and used the term elect. Paul's heart hoped for those Jews because, he was one of them. Christ came to save the Jews alone originally and ended up saving Gentiles as well making Salvation available to who so ever believed. Election does not mean that those elect will be saved no matter what. Neither does being chosen mean those chosen will be saved. If there are elect Gentiles it doesn't mean Gentiles are the replacements for the Jews. I admit we are chosen, and being chosen was planned long before we existed. Christ intercedes for all the saved because Grace is always sufficient. He is not willing that any be sent to hell..
You may say there is no difference between being chosen and being elect. For me there is a difference. RevMitchell explained it perhaps better than I, but it works out to the same thing I believe. There are two very different types of choosings. The first was for the Jews to be a people of God and the last was a choosing for all men to be able to come to Christ. There is no such thing as non chosen since Christ died for the whole world. Just as there is no such thing as non elect Jews. There will be many who go to hell who are chosen, Because they rejected Christ to the end.

Again there is not one verse that I've been shown that definitively with out doubt points to the calling of Gentiles as elect. Chosen yes. Gentiles will never be Jews and Jews will never be Gentiles. Being chosen or elect either way means nothing if we fail to believe. It isn't some kind of magical thing that insures a place in Heaven for us. If we are not willing we will not be saved.
MB

 

If this is what you believe why be upset with what I believe. You know Calvinist are just as sure of what they believe as I am about of what I believe. Acts 13:48 has been rearranged to make it say it that way but in the Greek "Believed" comes before being "appointed" I do not claim to be an expert in Greek nor there composition Yet it does seem like men do make mistakes don't they.
MB.

 

Complete agreements are rare even in most churches.
MB

 

Gods aves us though on the basis of individual Election.... Based upon His Free Will , and not upon "ours"

 

I would say God is willing to save any of us if we are willing to be saved. Salvation is the result of a mutual agreement of willingness.
MB

 

Problem is that we in our natural state will never desire/want to be saved!

 

No no corporate election and I agree with the latter.