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Regeneration and salvation are the same thing. God can convict someone without having regenerated them because He is God and He is powerful enough to do that. In fact that is exactly they way He does it because He is the one who set it up that way.

Further John 1:13 does not mean that the will of man and or his choice is not involved in the process of salvation at all it simply means that it is not the cause. God owns salvation and gives it freely to whom He wants to give it to. If He were to withhold it, those of whom he withheld it from would never be saved. Therefore, based on that fact alone, even though man's will and choice are involved in salvation the credit goes only to God. It is not necessary to discount the choice of man it is only necessary to recognize who gives it.

 

I'm familiar with that verse, but i don't see it having relationship to or including the phrase, "Heart of faith."

 

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Your argument is with the gospel. I'm only casting proof with scripture.

Yet you have not shown scripture that clearly supports the view that Salvation and regeneration are the same.

It's not just a drawing which it certainly does but is how we acquire faith.

Then you believe all men can hear the gospel? I was under the impression that you are a 5 point Calvinist. If not I beg your pardon. Calvinism fails eventually with out faith in all 5 points.

Please show scripture proving this to be so

Not true this is a lie I have never said such a thing

Not true. Man is not saved because of merits like unconditional election. Man is saved by the Grace of God

That is not true and what's more you know it isn't true.

again not true.

Yet another not true
Do you believe I shouldn't be allowed to disagree with you? Is this why you accuse me of such nonsense?

I believe you are the one who needs the warning because you told me I deny eternal security. Which makes you the one telling lies.

Not so He saves the lost, the saved do not need saving.
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No MB, I disagree with Calvinist position.

But your absolute conditions are wrong too.

First thing Paul did is persecute Christians. Jesus didn't start off with great job believing me now, He was struck blind and asked WHY ARE YOU PERCECUTING ME?

Paul had no intent whatsoever to be Christian, no faith, no believe, no election, no regeneration, no conviction, Absolutely disqualified in every way to be Christian.

Even the Devil will recongnize Jesus Christ:

Luke 4

34“Let us alone! What business do we have with each other, Jesus of Nazareth? Have You come to destroy us? I know who You are—the Holy One of God!”

Luke 4
41Demons also were coming out of many, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But rebuking them, He would not allow them to speak, because they knew Him to be the Christ.


Notice Demons just love telling everyone who Jesus is, absolutely abhor telling us what Jesus instructed us to DO.



A father who doesn't have fatherhood as his highest priority is not a father.

At a snap of a finger, blink of an eye, or push of a button God can have everyone on this thread and in the world behave without sin and be perfect.

God is not here to give a heart or brain transplant, God does not need to repent, mankind needs to repent.

The accusation thrown by Calvinist is God has not acted for everyone, he holds back doesn't want to help some who drown in sin.

The accusation thrown by non-Calvinist is God can't act at all, and won't help anyone who doesn't want to help themselves. That God won't help unless you got faith or believe.

Both views are wrong , A good father is a father first. The rules were not made for God they were made to help sinners get on their feet. God is love and the goal of Christianity is Love. He will leave 99 sheep to look for the lost one. He is a perfect Father.

Tomorrow the whole world can say you are worthless including yourself thinking it. The whole world can say you deserve hell. Everyone can throw rocks at you spit on you and hate you. And you can look at yourself and find nothing of worth. Yet God loves you more then anything, He didn't say it with just words, but THE WORD Jesus Christ, You are worth more to him then Jesus Christ.


Luke 6
35“But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.


1 timothy 1
5But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.

 

This is a prophecy of Israel, in context, correct?

 

In the Time of Ezekiel, was it directed towards Israel the Nation? Did it get fulfilled? How did you determine it applies to "the people of God in the New testament"? What hermeneuitcal approach led you to believe that?

Ezekiel 36

22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

So, this happened to the people of God in the New Testament as well? Do you only apply a certain portion of this chapter to the NT believer? What methods did you follow to arrive at that conclusion?

So believers in the NT weren't acting right and THEN God took out their Stoney heart? Help me make sense here, brother.

 

I don't see where you answered any of my questions, brother.

 

I asked you several other questions...

In the Time of Ezekiel, was it directed towards Israel the Nation? Did it get fulfilled (if so when)? How did you determine it applies to "the people of God in the New testament"? What hermeneuitcal approach led you to believe that?

Ezekiel 36

22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

So, this happened to the people of God in the New Testament as well? Do you only apply a certain portion of this chapter to the NT believer? What methods did you follow to arrive at that conclusion?

Care to answer them?

 

When did this new heart come to Israel? After Babylonian Captivity? With Ezra and Nehemiah? With John the Baptist? Pentecost? I think we are being a little loose with the Text, don't you?

 

The promises were given to the nation for years.....only an elect remnant were saved.

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed