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Theistic evolution or non-theistic evolution

Discussion in 'Creation vs. Evolution' started by Robert H, Jun 16, 2003.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    There can ONLY be human men! What else are the others, Bigfoots?
     
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    You deny that Jesus became a full human in the Incarnation, so that is heresy!
     
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    The bible is very clear that Jesus was/is both fully God and fully human, so to deny either aspect woul;d be holding to a heresy!
     
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    The Deity of Jesus is eternal, but his humanity was indeed created, its called the Incarnation!
     
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    Human men were created.

    Jesus' taking upon Himself the FORM of a Human man, did not MAKE Jesus a HUMAN MAN.

    Perhaps you are unaware, that which exists and IS NOT created CAN NOT BECOME CREATED.

    Jesus CAN, HAS, DID and WILL appear in the likeness as a HUMAN MAN; However you SHOULD definitively TRUST and KNOW He IS the Lord, ABOVE ALL Lords, WHO speaks and things appear, WHOSE POWER is what effects creations to BE created.

    And IF and WHEN YOU accomplish being in the LIKENESS of JESUS; that will not MAKE you God......
    any more than JESUS being in the LIKENESS of a HUMAN MAN; makes Him a HUMAN man.
     
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    Jesus was born of a woman, as a human, who was also God, so again, to deny His humanity is to commit heresy!
     
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    And?
    Human men become born of God. Do you think that makes you a god?

    What you fail to comprehend is Jesus (NOT SPERM, that enters a woman's Fallopian tubes) had to ENTER Mary's womb, before He could come forth from her womb.

    Human men are procreated VIA a human male sperm fertilizing a human female egg IN the females Fallopian tubes. No such things apply to Jesus.

    John.1
    1. [13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
    Is it you don't understand scripture or you don't believe scripture?
     
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    Yes. He advocates a form of docetism which the early church declared heretical in the third century. He believes scripture supports him because of poor hermeneutics.
     
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    To deny Jesus would make him like what JW hold to, as the archangel while on earth, and now a spirit creature!
     
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    I guess that puts him in a similar category as JWs as having significant problems with their christology. But their error is quite different to Happy's. The JWs believe Jesus is not God. I don't think Happy would go that far. I think he is still Trinitarian. It just his understanding of Jesus' personhood and dual nature that is incorrect, primarily because he has created an artificial distinction between the concepts of man and human, which is an English language phenomenon not found in the Greek.
     
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    That Jesus would be God, and yet would be not a real human, so would be God "faking" being one of us, and being tempted in all things as we are, as that Jesus would just be God.
     
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    Turns out -- there is almost no difference between the two.
     
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    Between Atheism and theistic Evolution?
     
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