Featured Calvinism and the SBC (a 2013 discussion between Hankings and Mohler)

Agreed. The debate is in where churches align on the spectrum.

 

That is a mischaracterization.
Non-calvinists want to retain control of their church and doctrine. Calvinists want to reform the church along biblical teaching in regard to salvation.

If you want to be left alone, lock the doors of the church when you enter and tell people to go elsewhere. You and your church can die, comfortable in your ways.

 

uh no its not.

Every church wants to do that

To bad they want to use dishonest practices to do it.

They already have it thank anywayt

this has nothing to do with the subject.

 

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This lack of study can be found in many churches regardless of what they hold to as a statement of faith. This manifests itself in almost every area of study.Jonc made a solid point of the love of God needs to manifest in every professed Christian.
It stands to reason that the more of the word and teaching we know....the more we can love God and neighbor by keeping the law....romans13:8-10

 

Hello JonC....on my phone during lunch break now...you raise good points of discussion that I would like to respond on my laptop in a few hours.

 

Nice link...thanks for posting

 

That might also be true,and steps have been taken to repent of that.
But the departure was from Calvinism...to listen to these so called traditionalists....they have it the other way around.

 

Many would be surprised to learn that Calvinism and classic Arminian theology as purposed by its early advocated did not seem to be nearly as wide apart on the theologixcal spectrum as most assume that it is today, and would say that the 2 extremes that must be rejected by both position are Open Theism and the viewpoint that basically man is still good even after the Fall....

 

I believe we view history through the eyes of the generation in which it occurred. The SBC is unique in that it was born of a split and it was on the wrong side of the split. Where it really falls lacking is 1950-late 70s.

 

We are doing great. I left the church I was a member of that was in demise. The Church I now attend is growing. It is not Calvinist.
Your idea of "reform" is really nothing but causing problems.

 

No, your idea of growth is only surface numbers and shallow waters.

 

No, you can't get any numbers so you criticize those who do.

 

LOL, the church I attend has an average of 250 per Sunday. Another Reformed Baptist church nearby averages 1500 at their main campus with a number of satellite campuses in the metro area.

Why are people coming? Because they have been gripped by Sovereign grace.

The Arminian SBC church in the area...has not topped more than 50 people for 15 years. They accept every sin without rebuke and with no discipline. They wallow in the shallow waters. God cannot bless a church that refuses to be obedient to His word.

Numbers are irrelevant, however. I have gone to small churches that God has blessed with saints who have walked the path and trusted God through trial and temptation. I am in awe of their faith. A congregation that follows hard to the cross is of much more value than a congregation who lives in the shallows and rides the waves with no direction.

 

I love the Doctrines of Grace. But this "my theology brings in more people to church than yours" is not fruitful on any side. If you hold to the DoG, you maintain that your church is the size it is b/c God has decreed it so as well as decreed the means (rich theology as a drawing influence). Anything else is synergism. While it is helpful for Christians to sharpen each other's iron, those who hold to the DoG must acknowledge that God has decreed the disagreement without any deficiency or insecurity to his nature and will bring all his elect into alignment with the truth one day. God's will be done.

What's a mod got to do to shut down a thread?

 

The church you describe is not arminian. Arminian does not teach greasy grace, they teach loss of salvation when one sins. There are two mega close by, neither Calvinistic, both average about 7,000 each at that particular campus on Sunday. Both also have satellites, I am not counting those numbers.

 

Is the pastor Joel Osteen?

If half the church imbibes in a beer will the membership shrink by half due to so many losing their salvation?

Perhaps I better call up my Nazarene relatives to find out if your flock is in danger of burning.

LOL, you make it too easy.

 

You twist what is said into lies. Neither congregation is arminian. They are traditional.