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Does God love the lost?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by SheepWhisperer, Jul 20, 2017.

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  1. 2Dennings

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    On what basis are you implying that SheepWhisperer is not saved?
     
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    I don't imply. I ask you the same question. We should pray that God might extend grace. There is no other means by which we can be saved. No amount of good works will pay for our law breaking. God's judgment is just toward all humanity. Only by the gracious choice of the Sovereign God can we be redeemed, pardoned and adopted. There is no other means. Pray that God might be gracious to you, just as I pray that God might be gracious to me.
     
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    Why would you ask me the same question, I did not make that implication? If someone is a believer has God's grace not been extended to them already? If you are telling someone to pray that God will extend grace to them or else they are going to hell, you are saying that they are not a believer. I was trying to determine what point of disagreement between you two makes you feel that he is not a believer?
     
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    Matthew 6

    9“Pray, then, in this way:
    ‘Our Father who is in heaven,
    Hallowed be Your name.

    10‘Your kingdom come.
    Your will be done,
    On earth as it is in heaven.

    11‘Give us this day our daily bread.

    12‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

    13‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. [For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’]
    14“For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15“But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.




    Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our debts......... Jesus' example of prayer is a good example isn't it?


    Luke 11

    2And He said to them, “When you pray, say:
    ‘Father, hallowed be Your name.
    Your kingdom come.

    3‘Give us each day our daily bread.

    4‘And forgive us our sins,
    For we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
    And lead us not into temptation.’”

    Luke 11


    9“So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10“For everyone who asks, receives; and he who seeks, finds; and to him who knocks, it will be opened.11“Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he? 12“Or if he is asked for an egg, he will not give him a scorpion, will he? 13“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?”


    Well how much more will God give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him?




    One of these bible verses is holy scripture, The other is false teaching. One is in the order Jesus stated, the other is backwards Satanic rendition.

    14“For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15“But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.

    14For if your Father forgives you , then you can forgive other their transgressions, 15But if your father does not forgive you, then you will not forgive others.
     
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    You cannot choose to believe. Either God has granted you the gift of faith or he hasn't.
    Has God chosen to be gracious to you? I pray the answer is yes. I have no idea if that is the answer, however
     
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    I said nothing about choosing to believe, nor was I talking about me. I just want to know what it is about him that makes you think that he is not a believer? I don't know him or what he believes, but for whatever reason you think he is going to hell unless God extends grace to him. Why is that?
     
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    Again, I did not make that judgment. I stated something that is true of all of us.
     
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    Name one person who God wants to sin against him.

    Even if you don't have a name, is there someone who God wants to sin against him?


    Does God desire you to sin? I guess you will never sin again.

    Or is God too weak to get his own desire?
     
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    Here's a thought.


    HavU ever considered?

    The first faith is to B lieve God wrote a book?
     
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    Name one time you have asked an intelligent question.
     
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    Really? :(
     
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    You must not know UTI.
     
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    God has chosen to be gracious to everyone. That's just how big and perfect He is. You can only choose to believe WHILE God's Holy Spirit tugs at your heart.......and you have the option of rejecting the same.
     
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    Your statement is false and not supported in the Bible.
     
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    God was gracious to all mankind from the beginning:

    e.g. Cain

    Genesis 4
    5 but He did not respect Cain and his offering. And Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell.
    6 So the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen?
    7 "If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it."

    After his murder...

    Genesis 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

    It was Cain who "went out from the presence of the LORD" not vice versa.

    HankD
     
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    ......only if "all" doesn't mean "all"....or "every" doesn't mean "every"

    Heb 2:9
    But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
     
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    Look at your verse again.

    Hebrews 2
    [9]What we do see is Jesus, who was given a position “a little lower than the angels”; and because he suffered death for us, he is now “crowned with glory and honor.” Yes, by God’s grace, Jesus tasted death for everyone.

    Who is the "us" in verse 9? Here's a hint...it isn't the entire world. It is the believers whom the author is addressing.
    Thus...the word "everyone" is limited to the believers. Jesus tasted death for all believers.

    So...your universalism is entirely false and heretical.
     
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    Puny? Oh no sir.

    He's the Mighty King of Glory
    Psalm 24

    1{A Psalm of David.} The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

    2For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.

    3Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?

    4He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.

    5He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.

    6This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.

    7Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.

    8Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.

    9Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.

    10Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.
     
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    You keep calling what I believe "universalism" but you have also been shown that this is a false accusation: "universalists" believe that all will be saved. I do not.....and I have told you that several times.
     
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    Yes, my God is Sovereign and almighty. Your god, made in your image, is puny and unjust.
     
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