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Preterism - True Or false?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by robycop3, Jul 31, 2017.

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  1. robycop3

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    FYI, I believe in three dispies: the Old Covenant, New Covenat, & the world to come.
     
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    Another goof made by preterists is labeling all who don't believe their hooey as "dispies". FYI, I believe in three dispies: the Old Covenany, New Covenant, & the world to come.
     
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    IF Jesus actuallu already has His second coming, then either this is the eternal final state, or else we are right now in the 1000 yr reign of Christ. Neither options would fir the scriptures, for there is still a lot of sinning and disobedience still going on!
     
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    I see you buy into "replacement theology" and anti-semitism as well as preterism. And you call yourself a Baptist! WOW!

    So, you'd disregard the prophecy of the 144K witnesses during the great trib & the "beast's" rule, 12K from each tribe of Israel? And the 12 gates of the New Jerusalem each bearing the name of a tribe of Israel?

    And I suppose you believe modern Judah (Israel) rose on its own, just by happenstance? Or, they made Jerusalem its capital by their own power, against all human odds, in nthe face of the opposition of a billion Muslims?

    I suggest you chuck all your man-made doctrines & spend at least part of each day reading your bible while praying for the HOLY SPIRIT to guide & teach you! If a doctrine of faith & worship isn't found in your Bible, DON'T BELIEVE IT!
     
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    God promise to israel to have their King reign over her will happen at His second coming.
     
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    Because they WERE. The history of the Jews after Hadrian exiled them should be quite familiar. They were persecuted, hounded, abused, with many being killed, wherever they went. This culminated in the nazi holocaust. Now, did they arise from the dust on their own, fighting a war with, and beating their Arab neighbors in 1948?
     
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    Sorry, Sir, but the persecution of the Jews from 136 AD to late 1945 is a matter of well-documented history.
     
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    Thanx, Hank. preterism is a man-made false doctrine, made by tampering with God's word by inventing new meanings for some of it, & no Baptist should believe one quark of it.
     
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    Again, mankind contradicts God. The promise you refers to the following in the 1st century:

    “Fellow Israelites, I may say to you confidently of our ancestor David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Since he was a prophet, he knew that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would put one of his descendants on his throne. Foreseeing this, David spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, saying, ‘He was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh experience corruption.’ This Jesus God raised up, and of that all of us are witnesses. Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you both see and hear. For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”’ (Acts 2:29-35, NRSV)

    I'll believe the Holy Spirit inspired Apostle Peter rather than the modern concoctions of men.
     
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    If I am following you correctly, I agree, Jesus indeed answered the "when" and it seems that just knowing English is enough to clarify this:

    Merriam-Webster:
    "this .. the person, thing, or idea that is present or near in place, time, or thought or that has just been mentioned"

    Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. (Matt 24:34, NRSV)

    Merriam-Webster
    "that .. the one farther away or less immediately under observation or discussion"

    "for forty years. Therefore I was angry with that generation, and I said, ‘They always go astray in their hearts, and they have not known my ways.’" (Heb 3:10, NRSV)

    "This generation" clearly refers to those to whom He was speaking, Mt.24:34. "That generation" refers to those many centuries farther away, Heb.3:10.

    No way can I read Matthew's use of "generation" and understand anything but people in a certain time frame, contemporaries and the first use in Matthew 1:17 sets the meaning right at the start. To say this means "race" or "kind" as Matthew uses it is absurd.
     
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    Yes, but then you (generic) have a problem with:

    Acts 1:11 who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven."

    Revelation 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

    2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

    Futurists find the redefining of all the apparent literal words in the passages above as being assigned "spiritual" or metaphorical meanings "absurd" as "this generation" being given a far reaching definition.

    Then comes the scripture ping-pong game.
    Then the casting of each other into the lake of fire.

    HankD
     
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    There is no difficulty seeing verses 9-12 as being fulfilled by the saving work of Christ, 13-15 are figurative indicating a conquest, logically the conquest of the Gospel seen in Acts, while 16-17 relate to our salvation as the precious jewels in his crown. Fulfilling Exodus 19:5-6 as taught by Peter - 1 Peter 2:9-10 & Malachi 3:16-18

    I don't agree with your cutting up the prophecy like that - a verse fulfilled & the next verse distant future & back again - playing "ducks & drakes" with Holy Scripture. As you do with the Olivet prophecy that Jesus declared would be fulfilled before the passing of this generation.
     
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    Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison

    Do you accept the thousand years as a literal 1000 years?

    HankD
     
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