Preterism Proof

Rather, Preterism is about the ESCHATOLOGICAL events that occurred at the end of the Old Covenant Age.
The Age of the New & Everlasting Covenant has no end. Thats why its called "everlasting".

Can you be mre specific?

When was this section fulfilled? (or has it been yet?)
41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’?

43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.

Fuflilled or still future?
if fulfileld, then WHEN?

I say it was fulfilled in 70AD... do you disagree?

You, sir, are no literalist.
You pick and choose which scriptures to spiritualize as they suit your paradigm.

Where does scripture teach you to SPIRITUALIZE THIS language:

8“Then the earth shook and trembled;
The foundations of heaven quaked and were shaken,
Because He was angry.
9 Smoke went up from His nostrils,
And devouring fire from His mouth;
Coals were kindled by it.
10 He bowed the heavens also, and came down
With darkness under His feet.
11 He rode upon a cherub, and flew;
And He was seen upon the wings of the wind.
12 He made darkness canopies around Him,
Dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.
13 From the brightness before Him
Coals of fire were kindled.

But LITERALIZE This Language:

And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

Its the same language...the same artistic writing style of the Jewish genre of Apocalypsis, of which the apostles were well versed in. The Apostles didn't teach anything new... they quoted from and pointed to the OT, they spoke in the language of all the prophets before them.

This is how the prophets spoke.
You have no scriptural instruction to interpret this language as "artistic license" in the OT, but interpret in wooden literal fashion when you find it in the NT.
None whatsoever.
Carnal Desire for these passages to be about you in your day is all the reason you can cite.

In fact, the Apostles would find your interpretations unrecognizable.

Isaiah claims every eye from ever nation SAW God's Physical Arm.
Can you prove it? PROVE IT.
Show us the historical evidence that EVERY EYE OF EVERY NATIONS saw God's arm... must be recorded in the annuls of History somewhere right? such a monumental GLOBALLY VISABLE event of the Arm of God beeing SEEN by every eye

Man you make this too easy:

Hear the word of Yahweh: Thus says the Lord Yahweh, Behold, I will kindle a fire in you, and it shall devour every green tree in you, and every dry tree: the flaming flame shall not be quenched, and all faces from the south to the north shall be burnt thereby. All flesh shall see that I, Yahweh, have kindled it...Thus says Yahweh: Behold, I am against you, and will draw forth my sword out of its sheath, and will cut off from you the righteous and the wicked. Seeing then that I will cut off from you the righteous and the wicked, therefore shall my sword go forth out of its sheath against all flesh from the south to the north: and all flesh shall know that I, Yahweh, have drawn forth my sword out of its sheath (Ez 20:33-35,47-48; 21:3-5)

When did ALL FLESH SEE Yahweh Kindle a fire that devoured EVERY GREEN TREE Roby?
When was that EXACLTY??
where is your PROOF it happened?

When did All flesh KNOW God drew His sword at that time?
Prove ALL FLESH KNEW. Go ahead.

Yes they Did! Good Job!
And scripture testifies that, at that time, this LITERALLY happened:
For behold, the Lord is coming out of His place;
He will come down
And tread on the high places of the earth.
4 The mountains will melt under Him,
And the valleys will split
Like wax before the fire,

Where is your PROOF that the Lord LITERALLY did this at the time the people went into exile?
Where are these "Split Valleys" today? where are the remnants of the "Melted Mountains" Today? its' only been a few thousand years,,,Surely we can get on Google earth and you can point me to the physical evidence, no?

If you say it's "artistic licence" then again, where is your scriptural instruction to interpret this as Artistic license, spiritual metaphor:
He will come down
And tread on the high places of the earth.
4 The mountains will melt under Him,
And the valleys will split

But, in polar opposite fashion, you interpret this in hyper wooden literal fashion:

And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south.

As far as I can tell, You only do so because your paradigm requires you fit the scripture to your view.
You have offered a grand total of ZERO scriptural instructions to do what you are doing here Roby. ZERO.

In contrast, I contend one must comport ones view to fit the scripture.

You are by no means consistent in your interprative style Roby... you pick and choose willy nilly what to claim is literal and what to claim is spiritual in the complete absense of ANY scrioptural instruction to do so.
You do it purely to wrest the scriptures to suit your previously held futurist bias.

Again, why should I or anyone else execute to a standard that you yourself REFUSE to abide by?

 

AMEN! BINGO!

 

Agree.

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And he that falleth on this stone shall be broken to pieces: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will scatter him as dust.
45 And when the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. Mt 21

 

Jesus' prime example of Agape was the Good Samaritan.

If God has to hit a switch, That's all Jesus would have to say. In fact he wouldn't have to say anything at all.

All this nonsense comes from people trying to push their Idea ABOUT JESUS being more important then what Jesus Christ actually teaches.


"Unless you are saved you can't do a good thing"-- Said Jesus Christ Never

 

I don't have him on ignore, I just ignore him, just let him rant about preterists and ford corvettes. Does my soul no good to contend with his irritating bluster with no substance.

 

When you can't address his arguments nothing left to do but attack the person.

 

Yeah, I don't debate Him to influence him toward my understandijng, in fact I'd prefer if he not come to the realization of the truth of preterism, for his presence here and his arguments serve to highlight to stark difference between our views and as such are invaluable to me in helping mo\ake sure our readers have all the information about both angles and can make informed decisions based on who they think has the weight of scripture behind them.

 

Good for you, and thank you! God Bless.

....and you are VERY capable with the scriptures. You definitely have my respect in the area of eschatology.

 

Well, I know it makes you uncomfortable to have his information laid out in front of you like this, but scripture states this is a direct result of the "Coming of the Lord" to destroy them:

40 “Therefore, when the lord of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”

41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

Jesus was the Stone that crushed them to powder and removed the Kingdom of God from them.

We are not to teach otherwise.

 

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

HankD

 

There is no denial Jesus sustains all existence. You don't know how to split a single cell of your body.

Not one line of scripture supports you here. I can find plenty showing good samaritan, and the capacity to love by everyone.

, 45that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?

You can't just read into the text buddy, Got to give us some real meat and potatoes.


In fact you have the equation BACKWARDS:

1 John 4

20Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen.


If you don't love your Brother and Sister you do see, you CANNOT love God.

Don't tell me someone accepts God as Lord and Savior by HATING GOD.

You have to Love God to accept the allegiance.

If scripture wanted to agree with you, that line would have said backwards:

Whoever claims to love their brother and sister but hasn't loved God is a Liar, For whoever does not love whom they have not seen cannot love the brothers and sisters they do see.

^you like that huh? backwards, backwards, backwards.


24You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Backwards is better right?

24You see that a man is justified by faith alone and not by works.



Matthew 6

14“For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15“But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.


How about a twisted false backwards version?

14“For if your father forgives you for your transgressions, Then you will forgive others of their transgressions. 15“But if the father does not forgive you, then you will not forgive others.




Don't you see where you going brother? I can prob do 150 verses like this. Want me to keep going?

Its not your way, not your traditions order, or your pastor's method, or whatever you heard ABOUT Jesus.

Jesus CHRIST IS THE WAY, its his order, his method, his way.


I'm waiting for 1 scripture from you brother, I can slap down bout 150.

 

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.


HankD

 

Yes, calling someone Tommy who is named Thomas is the unforgivable sin. Especially when they have had a relationship for years. I can't believe we are actually having this conversation.

Bob Stoops was hired @ Oklahoma in 1998, he was Bob to everyone in Okla. However those who knew him prior to 1998 would call him Bobby. How demeaning of Steve Spurrier, Bill Snyder, Lee Corso etc.....

But it allows you to avoid Jesus' use of "this generation" in the Gospels.

 

AMEN!

That still doesn't state a lack of capacity to love God and neighbor.

Luke 10

25And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”26And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27And he answered, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 28And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE.”

Can I get an amen?

 

Amen brother. I enjoyed the ping-pong debate.

Really!

HankD

 

Well it's not just one Greek word, but using your Greek education, is this statement wrong:

Every time “this generation” (he genea haute) is used in the gospels, it refers to the generation of Jesus’ day: Matthew 11:16; 12:41, 45; 23:36; 24:34; Mark 8:12 (twice), 38; 13:30; Luke 7:31; 11:29, 30, 31, 32, 50, 51, 17:25; 21:32.