I believe we've debunked preterism.

Whoa. What can be more vital to the Jews than coming to faith in the Messiah?

It is not that any of God's prophecies failed. It is that some of His pronouncements are contingent on man's response.Since we are in Ezekiel please consider 33:13-16:

"13 Though I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, yet if he trusts in his righteousness and does injustice, none of his righteous deeds shall be remembered, but in his injustice that he has done he shall die.
14 Again, though I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ yet if he turns from his sin and does what is just and right,
15 if the wicked restores the pledge, gives back what he has taken by robbery, and walks in the statutes of life, not doing injustice, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
16 None of the sins that he has committed shall be remembered against him. He has done what is just and right; he shall surely live."

There are other examples of God threatening - and are not His threats prophecies? - and then not following through, each time because of repentance. This happened to Ahab and it happened to the Ninevites.

God is not going to undo His finished work in Christ in order to fulfill your mistaken eschatology.

 

They don't post much scripture, because not a lot of scripture backs what they say.

 

exactly

Futurism looks for 4 temples, nothing like thinking Gods plan is building a new temple in rejection of his own son.

I just can't quite understand this.

 

Think you fail to realize it was spoken to 1st century people, and not to you. He wasn't explaining what would happen soon and then 2000 plus years in the future, in the same chapter. The apostles didn't know he was leaving, why would they ask about a coming back?

 

Tom, the passage above is a misquote - it is actually Ezekiel 44:9.

AOBTW circumcision is now a widespread practice among the non-Jewish male population including Bible believing Christians - they are not "dogs" so the Philippians passage does not apply to them or in fact any true believer who worships in Spirit and truth.

HankD

 

No, I gave you all of prophecy concerning the first advent was specific and accurate, therefore all the prophecy of the second advent is specific and accurate.

But what you want is me to do your work and post individual scripture statements.

Not happening, because to begin a person must agree that all prophecy is truthful and accurate. As it pertains Scriptures using metaphor, similie, and other parts of speech, they are clearly stated with the typical cues.

So, it is not that I can’t, I refuse to embarrass any who do not hold the validity based on proven accuracy.

 

1) The OT is validated by the prophetic statements concerning the first advent being fulfilled.

2) why then would anyone pick and choose, and attempt to realign prophecy concerning the second advent into a scheme that doe spnot take the most literal form?

But have at it, chase after that which denies the most literal rendering of all Scripture.

I’m not troubled by one warned yet obstinately pursues.

 

Um, I just posted a whole thread with many Scriptures about the reasons Christ will come, and got almost no preterist answers. Please, don't play this game, "I have more Scriptures than you."

 

Could you help me understand this passage they said was fulfilled.\acts15
13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

 

Thanks for the correction.

Not sure what AOBTW is. But more to the point, I am surprised at what you wrote. How does this relate to the circumcision in those Ezekiel passages?

Paul writes basically that circumcision and uncircumcision have no meaning anymore. Yet being uncircumcised in those Ezekiel verses certainly did have consequences. That can not be possible in any future scenario this side of Christ's fufillments.

 

We are not speaking of a supposed temple in the works today, but the one described in Ezekiel, which is imagined by some here to be in the Milennium.

 

Those types of "huge stupendous happenings" were described also in the Old Testament. They didn't occur then either - not in the literal sense, the only sense you seem to recognize.

 

John was particularly addressing full Preterists. If they are right, they are already enjoying to the full Jesus' wonderful promise:

John 14:1 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.”​

As are all who have died in the Lord.

I do look forward to the return of Jesus in glory for resurrection & judgment, & to bring about a New Heaven & New Earth, where righteousness dwells.

I'm quoting from John's a/m thread. To avoid confusion, I will put references to full Preterism in small print.

I'll quote the discussion without further comment.

 

I do not think proving partial -preterism false is that easy.

 

Truth be told, there was only one preterist attempt to actually answer the Scriptures on that thread about the 2nd Coming (though other Scriptures were brought up). But for the life of me I can't figure out that attempt. What in the world does "actual sheep stalls" have to do with John 14:1-3? Ah well, on to my Greek class.