Still no facts supporting preterism!

actually, the animal sacrifices never saved anyone anyway.

HankD

 

either way the bible does not say anywhere that they are coming back.

 

If they did they would look back in time not forward.

HankD

 

Ezekiel in his city and temple prohpecies- as in ch. 40, v. 41-- does refer to slaughtering the sacrifices. Is that in the past or in the future?

 

Ezekiel was prophesying to the exiles in Babylon after the destruction. The temple would be rebuilt, & sacrificial worship restored.

BUT tabernacle & temple were symbolic of a greater & enduring sacrifice & temple - Christ & his church built with living stones - his redeemed people.

There can NEVER be another acceptable physical temple & animal sacrifices. If there is a another temple in Jerusalem it will be in rejection of the saving FINISHED work of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Eph. 2:19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

1 Peter 2:4 Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, 5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
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9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.​

 

Brother Robycop, the discussion Jesus was having with the disciples in Matthew 16 had nothing to do with the transfiguaration miracle. That is conjecture on your part. Now I see how dispensational futurists are explaining Matthew 16: 27-28.

Verse 21 states: From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life." I don't see any mention of Elijah or Moses. The message was for his disciples! Here is the rest of that section of Matthew 16 so everyone can see the context of whom this message was intended for:

24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25 For whoever wants to save their lifef]">[f] will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. 26 What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 27 For the Son of Man is going to come(parousia) in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done. 28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

 

I believe it was a conditional temple if the Israelites would stay out of sin but they didn't, so the actual new temple became one not made with hands or stones and now is the church, the body of christ and Jesus was the final sacrifice. This is why I see Futurism as flawed, If Jesus payed the ultimate price why does israel have to make a new temple that is rejecting Jesus?

 

So tell me is this future antichrist going to be born?
If the "rapture" is imminent how is this possible?

 

Ok, I see that any historical evidence that I reference will be "bogus" in your eyes so now I will discuss internal evidence...the evidence of what is written to determine the time element of the Book Of Revelation. Here is Revelation 1 verses 1-3:

1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

Right there in the prologue is the timing of the events of the Book of Revelation. It is confirmed at the end of the book in chapter 22:

6 And he said unto me, “These sayings are faithful and true,” and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show unto His servants the things which must shortly be done.

In the following 2 verses, I'm about to show how so many Christians have read these and completely missed the correlation. I'm referring to Daniel 12:9 and Revelation 22:10. Daniel 12:9 states:

Dan 12:9 - And he said, “Go thy way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end."

Rev 22:10 - And he said unto me, “Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand."

Daniel was told to seal up the words of the prophecy until the time of the end. In Revelation 22:10 John was told to not seal up the sayings of this book, for the time is at hand. The Greek word here is "engys" which means near. The term "imminence" that dispensational futurists are using to explain these verses as occurring "at any time" (even thousands of years into the future ) doesn't mean a long period of time either. Any dictionary will define "imminence" as something that will occur soon: Imminent dictionary definition | imminent defined When was Revelation written? I know the futurists will say it was written during the time of Domitian but there were no cataclysmic events that occurred at that time. There was also a Jewish problem among some of the 7 churches at the time the Book of Revelation was read, see Rev 2:9. That concept is absolutely ridiculous post 70AD.

 

Those who believe that there will be a millennial temple with animal sacrifice restored generally say:

The blood of bulls and goats never took away sin but looked forward to the shed blood of the final propitiating sacrifice.
In the millennial temple the blood of bulls and goats will not take away sin either but will look back as a memorial sacrifice.

I am undecided about this.

HankD

 

Everything we reply is bogus to him, His replies are like a broken record.

 

That's already been discusses on pp.1-2; the key whether "all these things" included that wall or not.

 

The face that they don't "have to" doesn't mean they wont.

 

Not a talking statue [we presume], but I knew Antoichus had set a statue. jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/1589-antiochus-iv-epiphanes

But what is a talking statue? A robot/humanoid? Or something simpler and nonelectronic that might have been available at that time and area of the world is the mechanical minds were there? We know there were water clocks that signaled hours, and mirror setups that could set set buildings or ships on fire, for instance. I have an old Victor adding machine that is entirely mechanical that my grandfather used in the store he ran.

 

There are two main arguments the premil antipreterists use.

Unfulfilled OC prophecy regarding a glorious future for Israel when Messiah comes
And
Jesus' coming in AD seventy isn't recorded in history.

Both demand a carnal "literal" interpretation of prophecy. Both deny the spiritual interpretation seen in Acts and the letters.

They even reject what they read in Revelation 6 relating to the destruction where the land (of Israel) suffers as prophesied in Ezekiel 14:21 and Jesus in Luke 23:30.

Scripture does not need a millennium for the fulfilment of prophecy. Jesus suffered, died and rose, and ascended to his heavenly throne according to prophecy, fulfilled the promises to Israel by the Gospel as many thousands believed in Jesus Christ as Messiah, Lord, Saviour and King.

The first resurrection of souls is explained by Jesus as saving faith, contrasted with bodily resurrection. John 5:24-30

 

A talking statue