Preterists still won't give up...

Daniel 12:4 “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”

No denying this short, laconic prophecy is being fulfilled right before our eyes. The increase in knowledge includes that of God's word, as the meanings of some prophecies are becoming clear as their fulfillment unfolds.

No, the preterism of the pret doctrine is not correct at all.

You say you believe in a literal understanding but you do not as when it suits you you deny the obvious fulfillment because it doesn't fit in with your preconceived ideas. You deny the prince has come [/quote]

Yes, I do, and still will.

No one with the sense God gave a doorstop denies J & the temple were destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. But the prophecy implies there will be a SPECIAL prince of Roman ancestry who will be far-more-prominent than any other. There were Roman princes from the time of Hezekiah onward for some 1100 years, and Titus was nothing special above the others.

OF COURSE I deny it, as it's FALSE. And I was NOT taught such; I deduced it on my own by studying Scripture & history together. The AC will be ONE MAN, not a whole line, each appointed by other men.

Yes, mosta the popes were little antichrists, same as anyone else who "has a form of godliness while denying its POWER", but the ARCH-ANTICHRIST has not yet been made manifest.

I'm generally not too polite when dealing with false doctrines, & I'm not gonna be, as I utterly detest them. But I'll be polite with those who hold FDs while discussing other things.

And I'm a dispy only to the point of believing there are only THREE dispensations - that of the Old Covenant, including the earliest men, that of the New Covenant instituted by Jesus, and the world to come. (I believe the "seven church age" doctrine to be phony as a French Jaguar,)

 

It's apparent I understand them far-better than YOU do. I don't try to invent new meanings for them.

Yes, Jerusalem was desolated in 70 AD but that was NOT the ABOMINATION of desolation.

The AOD, that is, the antichrist declaring himself to be God & demanding to be worshipped, will cause hatred & disgust in Christian & Jew alike, but they'll be helpless to do anything about it & thus will feel desolated.

Only partially right!

The final kingdom, ruled by the antichrist, will be made up at first from many peoples & nations that were part of the Roman & Holy Roman Empires, but it'll eventually include most of the world. Remember, the Revelation calls for an EIGHTH kingdom, which will be of the 7th. And the AC will likely rule from Rome for a little while, at least, as it appears the RCC will help boost him into power as it did Hitler.

 

You can't begin to prove it false. You CANNOT prove something WON'T happen, especially if a prophet of God has predicted it. (Neither can I, nor anyone else.)

Many people of two generations ago didn't believe a Jewish sovereign state would exist again, but they were proven wrong by history.

 

I have the backing of actual history. the events prets CLAIM have already occurred, have NOT actually yet occurred, simple as THAT! No one can prove differently!

 

But can you prove there will never be one?

 

That's a prominent pret excuse.

HISTORY tells us quite a bit about the literality of biblical prophecy and biblical descriptions of events.

No argument there. But they represent LITERAL things, nations, & people.

No, not all has yet been fulfilled. The prince/antichrist/beast/man of sin has NOT yet come, nor his empire.

The earth has gone right on, same as it was in Daniel's day. That's a HUGE factor! The earth will be greatly altered by the great trib, and by Jesus' return. it's very-obvious neither has yet occurred. And all those events will occur in a 3.5 year span.

 

I agree!

And I don't believe the new temple the Jews are gonna build will be an actual temple of God, although many Christians & all jews will view it as such. (I say this cuz JESUS won't be worshipped in it.)

And while popes were antichrist same as anyone else who isn't submitted to Jesus, the ARCH-antichrist has not yet come. (However, his deputy the false prophet may be a pope ot other high RCC official.)

 

I guess not, to someone who believes Jesus has already returned & is now ruling the world.

 

But NOT that Titus was the prince of Daniel 9.

 

the fact that now it's ACTUALLY HAPPENING. w
When I was a child, computers were the size of a house & used more electric than a whole village. There were no vaccines against polio, etc. Today, a businessman can start his day in NYC & finish it in Tokyo.

There are people alive today who remember when there were no antibiotix, no TV, few radios, no supersonic jets, no man-made satellites, no one had been on the moon, on & on. And knowledge is increasing faster than ever before. I remember the first cell phones just a few years ago - big as a suitcase, had to be installed in vehicles, limited usage.

On & on.

Deny all ya like; it'll only be false.