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How else can they take it Tom with the caliber/quality of learning here at the BB?
Many souls leave never to return or to remain in the background wounded and lost to any reclamation.
personally I don't know if there is a solution apart from a special work of the Spirit of God.

To this very day I still join in. Well meaning but coming back at a later time reading my post(s) and seeing my insensitivity to others.

I can agree with this part but still I find myself repeatedly thinking of the both historical and metaphorical biblical account of the following among the brethren of Israel:

Judges 12
4 Then Jephthah gathered together all the men of Gilead, and fought with Ephraim: and the men of Gilead smote Ephraim, because they said, Ye Gileadites are fugitives of Ephraim among the Ephraimites, and among the Manassites.
5 And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay;
6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.


HankD

 

Being "spiritually dead" and "spiritual death" are two different concepts, are they not?

 

It's of popular use by Molinists specifically.....moreso than rote "Arminians". That may be where the disconnect lies.

 

I see it exactly opposite than you. The fact that the centurion exhibited that sort of faith, and respect for Christ, is evidence that he was born from above, a child of the heavenly Zion.

Are you insinuating that God had no 'lost sheep' among the Gentiles before Christ? The gospel was "to the Jew first". Christ's ministry was, "I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 15:24). Even after the so called 'great commission' was given, the Apostles still followed Christ's command of Matthew 10:5 all the way up to Cornelius in Acts 10. And even then Peter was called on the carpet for going to the Gentiles in Acts 11.

Because the new covenant is the restoration of all things. The Church IS the 'Israel of God'.

 

I see it as the fact that the Centurion lived in Capernaum, the same town as Jesus, and thus would have heard about the talk of Jesus being the son of God and of Jesus healing people. You are applying a logical fallacy here to your Calvinistic beliefs--the cart before the horse. (Calvinists do this with the thief on the cross, Cornelius and Lydia as well.) You're saying the Centurion was regenerated because he had faith.

To the apostles the gospel was a mystery--they didn't understand it or know what it was. This is evidenced by the many times it is said that they did not understand what Jesus was talking about when he said he must be killed and be resurrected in three days. Basically they went around to the Jews saying Jesus was the Messiah. There was no point in proclaiming that Jesus was the Messiah to Gentiles, since they weren't looking for Messiah.

Uh-huh. Sure.

 

It's a hard thing for many to grasp that the thief on the cross could be an errant child of God who had committed the "sin unto death".

 

To show you that God can not be poured into your preconceived can.

HankD

 

Yea. Right.

2 Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the concision:
3 for we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God, and glory in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh: Phil 3

29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Ro 2

6 But it is not as though the word of God hath come to nought. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel:
7 neither, because they are Abraham`s seed, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh that are children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned for a seed. Ro 9

15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. Gal 6

18 And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. Mt 16

14 Symeon hath rehearsed how first God visited the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16 After these things I will return, And I will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen; And I will build again the ruins thereof, And I will set it up:
17 That the residue of men may seek after the Lord, And all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, Acts 15

 

And this is relevant to Ezekiel 36....how?

 

One thing I have found out... the Calvinist will always be right